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Post by tsiya on Oct 15, 2005 14:40:19 GMT -5
Charlie, Rod, RD, Salt, Saltwo and whatever else. You do make me laugh. When the going gets tough...... Maybe the Aligator ate tysia ;D The Gator will only get me when I am ready! ;D |
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Post by JOHN on Oct 16, 2005 7:53:00 GMT -5
I m all with you Charlie Even on TV shows our Islamic friends are demonised Take Alias this week as an example The Indonesians in the context of Alias were making a weapon that turns water into poisonous sludge.... 1 gram of their weapon turns a glass of water into black goo....... Howcome even US TV show writers see them as bad guys? JOHN  |
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Post by Keith on Oct 16, 2005 19:45:56 GMT -5
I m all with you Charlie Even on TV shows our Islamic friends are demonised Take Alias this week as an example The Indonesians in the context of Alias were making a weapon that turns water into poisonous sludge.... 1 gram of their weapon turns a glass of water into black goo....... Howcome even US TV show writers see them as bad guys? JOHN Hollywood seems to have a short list of evils Russians Chinese Arabs Germans Think of any others? ;D |
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Post by angryjoe on Dec 14, 2005 0:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by rifleman on Feb 26, 2006 6:06:48 GMT -5
There are probably more Indonesian troops on leave at the moment than we have personell in our three services. Someday Indonesia will need more room, especiallly as their birthrate is much higher than ours.
Australia will be much more attractive than anywhere to their North, so down here is going to look most attractive.
Australia would be an easy mark. All Indonesia would need to do is to get a foothold, then in come the UN and the whittling down process could begin. 'Poor Fella, My Country'.
Rifleman.
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Post by Keith on Mar 12, 2006 18:38:17 GMT -5
I watched the Patriot on TV again last night Mel is a fine catholic australian If we have the slighest sign of respect for our american mates we should in the spirit of the free trade agreement equalise the gun laws between Australia and the USA. The show of support for Australia in the Congress was appreciated US gun makers should be able to sell product without hinderence And unless we start to train our young people we will be at a disadvantage we should teach them how to use a gun in self defense We have to populate the North or perish Build a new railway line from Wyndham to Mt Isa Offer more TAX incentives and free housing Or our nect generation will see the north become a dum province of Indonesia It can all happen just like the Cyprus situation with UN support at a cease fire By then the muslim population here will be topping One Million and ""they were only invading to protect their people" You only have to listen to talkback radio to hear how ordinary aussies distrust Muslims. Maybe?  |
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Post by tsiya on Mar 12, 2006 19:07:32 GMT -5
Muslims don't even trust muslims, and they should know!
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Post by lingus on Mar 18, 2006 17:24:22 GMT -5
Just sniffing around the various topics on this forum on a sunday morning and going for my second cuppa.
Charlienogun July 2005 - Methinks that judging from your chosen name that we may not agree on other topics, but on your first comments on this issue of Indonesia and Invasion you are right on.
I had a chuckle when you later said "Mate an ASSIE does not need weapons; we kill with our logic and wit." Apart from the spelling error (to which I also put my hand up), to an extent you are right. We have no choice but to be somewhat smarter on the strategic chessboard. In practice however, reality is totally different. Australia's priority is to be seen along with Japan and Canada as being one of the worlds peacmakers - hence the increasing involvement of military in policing matters.
Sadly though - killing people by blowing them to little bits or hacking at them so they fall into bigger bits, or shooting them to cause hydraulic failure - is a TERRIBLE thing, but one in which Governments excel. Sader still is that from time to time it is necessary and one or two generations must get out and do the dirtywork. It is after all the only way that freedom can exist and have value, thus be respected and defended.
Akin to providing a child with pocket money that is often squandered, so too is liberty. When liberty is a given, it soon becomes sacrificed for illusions of security and safety offered by governments to successive generations that are fortunate enough to have avioded the costs to earn freedom. Australia is at that point now domestically.
Given the places in which I have worked for extended periods - I am somewhat concerned that when shown on maps and taught to schoolchildren that West Papua New Guinea is (was) shown as West Irian, and Papua New Guinea is shown as "East Irian", and Australia is shown as "South Irian" - it is a concern that should not go unnoticed - for obvious reasons. Cite the Faulklands ownership that involved Argentina and Britain - same thing. When people are indoctrinated to believe - it is only a short step to generate fervour to put them into battle.
Therefore, it is no small wonder that the PM sides so closely to the USA - despite it's often obnoxious and hypocritical ways. When - not if - the day comes when our real estate is needed by an ever expanding population (especially that which contains radical islam) - friends to assist will be few and far between. The USA never does things without strings, so the choice of which is worse will be an interesting one.
TSIYA - I will save your words regarding Islam - accurate and well said. "Islam is nothing more than another dangerous ideology. It needs locked up in a box, or utterly destroyed, just as much as German national socialism, or Russian Marxism did. You may only see Islam as another religion, it is in fact a dictatorial theocracy. Islam is not designed to coexist with any competition, only to rule, or destroy."
Charlienogun - I thought we would disagree. Problem with Islam of recent times is it's demonstrated and written INTOLERANCE to other religions. To be required by law to be tolerant of the intolerant does not wash well with me. Nowhere on earth where Islam has been invited has there been harmony - always division and conflict. A pox on those wo inflict Australia with it, for unlike other religions that have assimilated - Islam remains alone.
Back to war stuff.
The only way to stop war is to make the cost of it prohibitive. Sadly, that leads to arms races which is essentially to see who can accumulate the greatest number of 'big sticks'. The end effect being so that any assault will cause more damage than is sustainable by the assailant.
Amazingly, National defence is just an extension of the schoolyard "I've got bigger muscles than you". Or the 'great' games League / Union / Rules etc where muscle bound men chase after an air filled leather ball with the intent of pile driving their fellow man into the ground just to get to the other side.
Astonishingly - such commercialised, gladiatorial violence is acceptable, yet firearm owners who put little round holes in paper targets, or plink down steel targets or shoot feral animals for the benefit of our wildlife - somehow it is THEY who are deemed violent. Perhaps it's the simplistic 'black dog logic' - "Criminals have guns, therefore those who have guns are criminals" Simple - convenient but utterly false, but I digress.
Ye Gads - I've got pages to read - ENUF for now.
The discussion on this topic is interesting and informative, but when people resort to tit for tat schoolground name calling, it discredits those involved. So much for intelligence.
Peter Cunningham
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Post by Pacifist on Mar 24, 2006 5:55:42 GMT -5
Don't you guys remember Indonesia dropping approximately 60000 paratroopers on aceh during the rebellion a couple of years ago? That's more people than we have in our entire defence force. You also forget that the US has some ties to indonesia and that Kopassus (or however you spell it), the indonesian special forces were training in Australia recently. Yep they couldn't manage anything  |
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Post by Blake on Mar 24, 2006 6:14:01 GMT -5
Don't you guys remember Indonesia dropping approximately 60000 paratroopers on aceh during the rebellion a couple of years ago? That's more people than we have in our entire defence force. You also forget that the US has some ties to indonesia and that Kopassus (or however you spell it), the indonesian special forces were training in Australia recently. Yep they couldn't manage anything May be be not a problem for this generation But in so many years there will be a million muslim brothers in Australia.Indonesia then may invade to liberate them The UN will step in to stop the War and give them, our north |
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Post by Pacifist on Mar 24, 2006 19:52:17 GMT -5
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So we should just leave it? Do nothing? I hope you were joking about indonesia liberating its "muslim brothers". I also hope you don't mean to just give up parts of Australian soil because someone invaded. How exactly would "the next generation" solve this problem in your view? VX?
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Post by lennie on Mar 27, 2006 19:33:38 GMT -5
Don't knock the possibility of an Indonesian Invasion. They're a take all and give nothing back nation. They could easily in the end support their Islamic brothers and push their way into North Western Australia which is largely unoccupied. The United Nations probably wouldn't help us either. Their attitude would be, well, you have the bottom half and they can have the top half. It's not as silly as it sounds, just take a look at the S**tfight in Papua at the moment and thats really all over land takeover for minerals and resources. They need the room and don't care how they get it. |
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Post by lingus on Mar 30, 2006 13:44:06 GMT -5
LENNIE - Again - Well said.
Australians should wake up to the fact that whilst it is necessary to have good relations with our nearest neighbour, they are NOT our friends, and efforts to make people think so will be disastrous.
As with most everywhere on earth - ordinary people are fine. It's the ones at the top who can mobilise the majority for any justification.
I am constantly amazed that people here continue with a system of governance based on aggression and biased party agenda. Nowhere is there that much flaunted word "Democracy" - and unless a revolution changes things, we will continue to suffer electing people who in the main we don't trust and wouldn't employ.
Given the largest muslim population on earth just to our north west, and the volatility of Islam, and the proved intolerance of Islam throughout the world, and Indonesia's repeated violation of human rights -- who in their right mind would consider them as "friends" (Alexander Downer is one). They are in fact our greatest single threat.
I totally agree with Bob Brown - and Australia should actively pursue the liberation of "West Papua" until their independence from indonesia is achieved. That must be before the country is stripped of irreplaceable forests and wildlife for both convenient timber and the voracious needs of the oil palm industry. Trust me - I do know 'a bit' about this, and also the unwillingness of the so called environmentalists in Australia to take positive action to prevent the raping of the forests in at least PNG. That's another story.
Peter Cunningham
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Post by tomm on Mar 30, 2006 19:52:20 GMT -5
>Australians should wake up to the fact that whilst it is necessary to
>have good relations with our nearest neighbour, they are NOT our
>friends, and efforts to make people think so will be disastrous.
The Indonesian people seem friendlier even than Australians whenever I
go there, so why should they NOT be our friends? Friendships are not
cast in stone. Sometimes they need to be cultivated and developed,
with the willing involvement of all the parties concerned. For
Australians to start out declaring that Indonesians are NOT our
friends more or less guarantees that eventually they will not be.
>As with most everywhere on earth - ordinary people are fine. It's the
>ones at the top who can mobilise the majority for any justification.
True. It's the ones at the top who are not necessarily our friends,
and that applies to Australia as much as to Indonesia. How are we
going to solve that problem here in Australia?
>I am constantly amazed that people here continue with a system of
>governance based on aggression and biased party agenda. Nowhere is
>there that much flaunted word "Democracy" - and unless a revolution
>changes things, we will continue to suffer electing people who in the
>main we don't trust and wouldn't employ.
Yes, the stupidity of Australian sheeple is amazing, as evidenced by
the kinds of government they elect. In their defence it must be
admitted they are conned by a system that is cunningly constructed to
fool them.
>Given the largest muslim population on earth just to our north west,
>and the volatility of Islam, and the proved intolerance of Islam
>throughout the world, and Indonesia's repeated violation of human
>rights -- who in their right mind would consider them as "friends"
>(Alexander Downer is one). They are in fact our greatest single threat.
Wrong. The warmongering USA and Israel are the biggest threats to
world peace, including Australian peace. They already have us
embroiled in their belligerant military adventure in Iraq.
>I totally agree with Bob Brown - and Australia should actively pursue
>the liberation of "West Papua" until their independence from indonesia
>is achieved. That must be before the country is stripped of
>irreplaceable forests and wildlife for both convenient timber and the
>voracious needs of the oil palm industry.
A particularly dangerous problem for Australia to meddle in, no matter
how just the cause. The problem was not of our making and therefore is
not our responsiblity to solve unaided. Let the UN or any other
appropriate international body correct the problem so that our
neighbourly relations with Indonesia are not unnecessarily soured
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Post by lingus on Mar 31, 2006 2:19:00 GMT -5
TOMM - Sobering comments.
We agree that ordinary people are fine - most nations that is the case. The problem is always those at the top, and that includes here - though it could be worse!
On second thoughts - you are right re the USA etc - though the USA is hardly to physically invade Australia, they are certainly doing it economically and culturally.
I totally agree with you regarding making this a UN issue. I have said that from the start because it IS.
More to say - am in a bit of a rush
Thanks.
Peter Cunningham
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Post by lennie on Mar 31, 2006 6:12:25 GMT -5
>Australians should wake up to the fact that whilst it is necessary to >have good relations with our nearest neighbour, they are NOT our >friends, and efforts to make people think so will be disastrous. The Indonesian people seem friendlier even than Australians whenever I go there, so why should they NOT be our friends? Friendships are not cast in stone. Sometimes they need to be cultivated and developed, with the willing involvement of all the parties concerned. For Australians to start out declaring that Indonesians are NOT our friends more or less guarantees that eventually they will not be. >As with most everywhere on earth - ordinary people are fine. It's the >ones at the top who can mobilise the majority for any justification. True. It's the ones at the top who are not necessarily our friends, and that applies to Australia as much as to Indonesia. How are we going to solve that problem here in Australia? >I am constantly amazed that people here continue with a system of >governance based on aggression and biased party agenda. Nowhere is >there that much flaunted word "Democracy" - and unless a revolution >changes things, we will continue to suffer electing people who in the >main we don't trust and wouldn't employ. Yes, the stupidity of Australian sheeple is amazing, as evidenced by the kinds of government they elect. In their defence it must be admitted they are conned by a system that is cunningly constructed to fool them. >Given the largest muslim population on earth just to our north west, >and the volatility of Islam, and the proved intolerance of Islam >throughout the world, and Indonesia's repeated violation of human >rights -- who in their right mind would consider them as "friends" >(Alexander Downer is one). They are in fact our greatest single threat. Wrong. The warmongering USA and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace, including Australian peace. They already have us embroiled in their belligerant military adventure in Iraq. >I totally agree with Bob Brown - and Australia should actively pursue >the liberation of "West Papua" until their independence from indonesia >is achieved. That must be before the country is stripped of >irreplaceable forests and wildlife for both convenient timber and the >voracious needs of the oil palm industry. A particularly dangerous problem for Australia to meddle in, no matter how just the cause. The problem was not of our making and therefore is not our responsiblity to solve unaided. Let the UN or any other appropriate international body correct the problem so that our neighbourly relations with Indonesia are not unnecessarily soured Tomm Do you mean, let the UN correct the problem that they originally let happen, if so, you would be correct. The UN Stuffed up here big time. Makes you wonder who was in who's pocket at the time, the winners of the deal I guess. Lets get real, there is no political corruption in Indonesia, BULLS**T, just take a look at their legal system for starters, money buys freedom over there and privileges abound if you know which political pocket to fill.  |
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Post by fusil on Apr 2, 2006 18:17:29 GMT -5
Australia was in at the very start of the West Papua problem. That was the time to speak up in the UN, but we agreed to Indonesia taking over the territory that was formerly controlled by the Dutch.
We reap the 'benefits'.
The basic question remains; do the Papuans have a natural right to self-determination or not?
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Post by Flash on May 12, 2006 2:07:55 GMT -5
Have you read the story of how the bombings in Indonesia are thought to be done by the Indonesian police or military? It was first posted as a transcript on George Negus' Dateline, but got yanked after a day or two. Now at - www.wpngnc.org/sbs12oct2005.htm JOHN MEMPI (Translation): The first Jemaah Islamiyah congress in Bogor was facilitated by Abu Jihad, after Abu Bakar Bashir returned from Malaysia. We can see that Abu Jihad played an important role, he was later found to be an intelligence agent. So an intelligence agent has been facilitating the radical Islamic movement. JOHN MEMPI, SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST (Translation): .. Because there is a sort of shadow state in this country. A state within a state ruling this country. ABDURRAHMAN WAHID: Yeah, who knows that the owners to do this, to do that -- orders to do this, to do that came from within our own forces, not from the culprits, from the fundamentalist people. (read intelligence) Carole www.conspiracee.com |
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Post by lauraqld on Jun 5, 2006 15:22:56 GMT -5
The Indonesian government has raised a state of emergency following the earthquake which shook its people last Saturday.
The quake measured a magnitude of 6.8 and so far has taken over 5000 lives of those in the affected area of Yogyakarta.
Many believe the shaky relationship between Indonesia and Australia will be reconciled since Australian Prime minister John Howard offered medical aid to the country.
Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer confirmed that there were 3 Australian teams planning to assess the damage to the area and to help those in need.
Australians have extended the olive branch even further by holding an open prayer ceremony at the embassy in Canberra planned for today.
The kind gestures plus the 3 million dollars in aid already pledged by Australians may prompt the Indonesian government to bury the hatchet over the betrayal felt over the recent Papuan immigrant upset.
Indonesia, being a close neighbour to Australia felt extremely upset when Australia denied temporary protection visas to Indonesians but willing granted the permission to 42 Papuans.
Tension was eased slightly when Australia changed laws to process all arrivals offshore.
Sadly it is only when a tragedy strikes that conflict can be resolved between countries.
Perhaps we should try to lessen the dominance and dependence models between countries.
It was a phone call which solved differences between the two countries, when John Howard phoned Indonesian Prime minister, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono offering help and sympathy.
However, we simply cannot rely on a phone call. What if next time the call is too late? While in a time of tragedy it is not appropriate to think of Australia’s best interests but it must be considered that if Australia ever needed help, would we be put on hold?
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Post by matilda on Jun 6, 2006 20:03:04 GMT -5
> However, we simply cannot rely on a phone call. What if next time the
> call is too late? While in a time of tragedy it is not appropriate to
> think of Australia's best interests but it must be considered that if
> Australia asked indonesia for help, would we be put on hold?
By Indonesia?, mate you can bet London to a brick-on that if we needed their
help they would not even answer the phone
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Post by queenbee on Jun 14, 2006 12:18:23 GMT -5
Senator Amanda Vanstone says the Federal Government has "taken into account the concerns of Indonesia" in putting forward changes to migration laws.
The changes will see all asylum seekers arriving by boat processed offshore in places like Nauru and Papua New Guinea's Manus Island.
The laws were proposed after 42 Papuans were granted temporary protection visas, sparking a diplomatic row with Indonesia.
Senator Vanstone has told the 7:30 Report the changes will help maintain good relations with Indonesia.
"We are taking into account what the Indonesians want because they are very helpful to us on border protection," she said.
A Senate inquiry has recommended the Government not proceed with the bill.
There is also concern among backbenchers about the laws, with Liberal Senator Judith Troeth threatening to cross the floor to vote against the Government.
Senator Vanstone stresses the changes only extend the current laws, which see asylum seekers arriving on Australia's islands processed offshore.
"It is the singular most successful border protection policy we've got," she said.
"There's been very few people arrive offshore by boat because of offshore processing."
But she says the Government is considering changes to the bill to accommodate the concerns of the Senate committee and the backbenchers.
"Nothing's finalised but it's not true to characterise that, as we're not interested in making concessions," she said.
Third country resettlement
Senator Vanstone has also reiterated that the Government will endeavour to find a third country to take any arrivals found to have a genuine claim for protection.
"We've made it very clear that we would prefer ... to get people protection in other countries," she said.
"The requirement in the [refugee] convention is that we make sure their claim is heard and protection is offered.
"There is no entitlement for people to say Australia is where I want my claim heard and that is where I want my protection offered."
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Post by buzz on Jun 16, 2006 5:26:59 GMT -5
A delegation of visiting Indonesian MPs (State Sanctioned Terrorists) has warned Australians of the dangers of becoming Indonesia's silent enemy.
Arse Licking ?
Foreign Sinister alexander drowner says the Australian and Indonesian governments are doing a good job of patching up problems in their relationship.
Australian's are angry and disappointed that Indonesian cleric Abu Bakar Bashir was profiled as a scapegoat, and after serving two years framed for a conspiracy he didn't have to have for the 2002 Bali bombing which he had nothing to do with that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.
Here is a full report and one that was not carried out by Australia, Indonesia, or the US authorities over the possible CIA or the American Military's involvement in the second blast that required nuclear hardware way above the knowledge of any peasant class in Indonesia just prior the Iraq war, mind you.
There are reports that in one Balinese kampong that provided labour to the clubs in Kuta Beach, seven empty coffins were buried, because there were no identifiable remains of the missing workers. It was as if they had been vaporised. Scores of people, mainly locals, are thought to have disappeared without trace.
Backwoods thinking
Indonesia says, it is concerned about Australia's decision to grant temporary asylum to 42 arrivals from the Indonesian province of Papua " even though these refugees had escaped with their lives from being killed and tortured by Indonesian State Sanctioned Terrorist Militants.
Killing and Torture Okay
The gang of thugs has urged the Federal Gubernment to be understanding and sensitive when it comes to Indonesian policies?
Mr drowner says there is no comparison between the two issues.
"At the government-to-government level, we're doing a very good job in patching things up and, as you know, the Prime Minister [John Howard] and the President [Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono] will be meeting soon," he said.
So is it okay to kill and torture these escaped refugees? I suppose that's that you could expect from the neo-liberal war criminals anyway but gees.
drowner: "But of course Members of Parliament are not part of the executive, but having said that, my meeting with the parliamentary delegation was a friendly and positive meeting."
Sensitive killing and torture?
A member of the Indonesian gang, Yuddy Chrisnandi, told a forum in Melbourne last night that Australia should practise sensitivity.
"Is Australia a good neighbour for Indonesia, is Australia a true neighbour or is Australia just a silent enemy," he said.
And of course that's so they can both keep the State Sanctioned Terror Line of communications going....
Proper Propaganda HoWARd's abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
UN takes the bait in collusion with killers and terrorists
Yesterday the United Nations (UN) cancelled a contract with an Indonesian organisation founded by the cleric, which had been given food to distribute to victims of the Yogyakarta earthquake.
Bullshit fed to UN by Guberment
The Federal Government had lodged complaints with the UN's World Food Program, after a spokesman for the organisation Majelis Mujahideen Indonesia (MMI) revealed Bashir would hand out 95 tonnes of donated food.
mr drowner welcomed the UN's decision to cancel the contract.
Great influence drowner and he tipped his hat and said.
Happy motoring! Also not very convincing you drip!
drowner: "A spokesman for MMI has said that Abu Bakar Bashir himself will come and distribute food - well, that would obviously be a great propaganda win for a political extremist and the UN shouldn't be associated with that," he said.
But drowner knows nothing of propaganda?
drowner: "It's good news that they clearly don't want to be and that they've cancelled the arrangement."
Conspiracy theory
Meanwhile, Dr Yudhoyono says his country's legal process against the cleric has been exhausted.
Dr Yudhoyono made the announcement about the alleged spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah on Indonesian television even though he'd never heard of the organisation reported widely? The CIA and the parrot people had to hit him on the head to prompt him....nudge!
However, he says his country's commitment to the fight on terrorism should not be measured by the end of legal action against the cleric.
Although his country is made and run on STATE SANCTIONED TERROR - NOT JUST IN ONE PLACE - BUT EVERYWHERE THEY DARE TO TREAD!
IN THE COURTS IN THE STREET IN THE BARS AND CLUBS AND EVEN IN TERRITORY THAT THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN!
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Post by lennie on Jun 16, 2006 6:53:05 GMT -5
This bullying by the Indonesian Government is becoming quite sickening. John Howard and his little team of foreign affairs executives have become nothing more than puppets and lap dogs to them. We gave them a billion dollars when the Tsunami happened, they then start bullying over the Papuan Asylum seekers, we then give them another stash of money for earthquake damage and now this idiot country Indonesia lets this madman cleric who clearly assisted in 88 Australians being killed in the Bali bombings out of prison. They have the arrogance to be telling Australia to watch it's P's & Q's. [glow=red,2,300] GET STUFFED INDONESIA[/glow]iSN'T IT ABOUT TIME WE GOT A PRIME MINISTER WITH A BIT OF GUTS? [glow=red,2,300] ALSO JUST IN IS A REPORT THAT INDONESIA CLAIMS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE DICTATED TO OVER THEIR DECISION TO RELEASE ABU BAKIR BASHIR.[/glow] www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1665188.htm |
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Post by Flash on Oct 7, 2006 16:30:33 GMT -5
-------- Australia has been planning for an Indonesian invasion of Australia since June 1998. An Indonesian invasion pits 20 million Australians versus the largest Muslim Country on Earth
Indonesia is always in danger of ceasing to exist in any way related to what it was in June 1997. This has been true since May 1998, when the Indonesian government lost control of the capital Jakarta for 24+ hours due to rioting. Former President Suharto resigned shortly afterwards. Itar-Tass reported that the immediate reason given for the resignation was an apoplectic seizure. [Whatever that means to Itar-Tass: I have seen translation difficulties into English before. Itar-Tass has reported large snowstorms affecting Moscow as hurricanes, several times since 1996.] The recent developments regarding East Timor have put Indonesia in danger of waging war with the United Nations. An index to the highly disrupting UN-mediated agreement is here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How did we get here? This summary was written on September 30, 1999. www.zaimoni.com/crash_Indonesia.htm |
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Post by lennie on Oct 12, 2006 7:51:58 GMT -5
Philippines military on 'extreme alert' after bombings
from ABC Online.
The Philippines military chief says forces in the troubled south of the country have been placed on extreme alert after bombings that left 12 dead and more than 40 injured. "We are on full operations mode," General Hermogenes Esperon said.
Almost 60,000 troops, half the entire Philippine military, are now on operational duty on the southern island of Mindanao and the Sulu archipelago. Raising the alert level to extreme signals the Philippines Government is bracing itself for more terror attacks by Muslim extremists.
Gen Esperon says no soldier or officer is allowed to go on leave while the alert remains. He says it is likely that the Al Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf and Jemaah Islamiah (JI) groups will continue attacking targets in the south.
Both groups, which are on the US Government's list of foreign terrorist organisations, were blamed for a series of bombings on Tuesday and Wednesday (local time) that killed 12. The threat of more attacks has forced the US, Britain, Australia and Japan to issue new travel advisories.
Gen Esperon says more road blocks will be put up in the south and intelligence gathering will be intensified. He says a massive man-hunt operation for JI bombers Dulmatin and Umar Patek, as well as Abu Sayyaf leaders on the southern island of Jolo, will also be stepped up.
That operation alone has tied up more than 5,000 troops in dense jungle, seeking an estimated 200 militants. Security analysts have said about 30 mostly Indonesian JI militants, including Dulmatin and Patek, were now in the south.
Dulmatin's wife was arrested last week and, under questioning, confirmed intelligence information that Abu Sayyaf and JI were plotting to hit more targets in coming days.
Abu Sayyaf is a small gang of Islamic militants responsible for the Philippines' worst terrorist attack, when a passenger ferry was bombed in 2004 killing over 100. It is also wanted for a series of high-profile kidnappings and murders, including that of two Americans seized in 2001.
JI, meanwhile, is believed to be Al Qaeda's South East Asian arm, and is suspected of being behind the October 2002 and 2005 bombings in Bali that killed more than 200 people.
-AFP
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Post by major987 on Nov 24, 2006 3:38:08 GMT -5
Global warming is making the sea level rise and Indonesia is going to be one of the hardest hit by this, to survive they will invade Australia by the millions. To make this worse United Nations will most properly expect us to allow them into Australia, we have so much free space it would be the only logical thing in every one's mind. With an expected 19% of the Indonesian population going to be effected by sea levels rising and many others seeing a chance to come and live in Australia, we can expect over 50 million will come onto our shores. It is hard to predict how global warming is going to effect the sea level and at what speed it will rise but one thing is for sure, Australia is the only place for them to go when it does rise. With Indonesia made up of many islands they have a large network of fishing and transport boats, if they needed to come to Australia they would have no difficulty getting here on mass.
With so many people predicted to enter Australia we will most probably try to control their movements which can eventually start a war. Due to lack of people power we would most probably lose the war and if so, our best option for survival would be to fortify Tasmania and wait there until we can take Australia back. Most countries around the world would be having the same problems with sea levels rising as we are, so we can not expect help from the USA or England for a considerable time.
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Post by lennie on Nov 25, 2006 7:40:33 GMT -5
Global warming is making the sea level rise and Indonesia is going to be one of the hardest hit by this, to survive they will invade Australia by the millions. To make this worse United Nations will most properly expect us to allow them into Australia, we have so much free space it would be the only logical thing in every one's mind. With an expected 19% of the Indonesian population going to be effected by sea levels rising and many others seeing a chance to come and live in Australia, we can expect over 50 million will come onto our shores. It is hard to predict how global warming is going to effect the sea level and at what speed it will rise but one thing is for sure, Australia is the only place for them to go when it does rise. With Indonesia made up of many islands they have a large network of fishing and transport boats, if they needed to come to Australia they would have no difficulty getting here on mass. With so many people predicted to enter Australia we will most probably try to control their movements which can eventually start a war. Due to lack of people power we would most probably lose the war and if so, our best option for survival would be to fortify Tasmania and wait there until we can take Australia back. Most countries around the world would be having the same problems with sea levels rising as we are, so we can not expect help from the USA or England for a considerable time.
firstly, welcome to the board. One question - when do you expect all this to happen? |
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Post by major987 on Nov 26, 2006 10:43:16 GMT -5
Most Pacific Islands and the Maldives Islands in the Indian Ocean are already asking Australia and New Zealand if they can relocat their 400 000 inhapentes to our lands. Australia has said no but New Zealand is still concidering it. A scientific guess has put the rising sea levels at one meter by the end of this century, this would flood many major citys around the would and the ones that are only effected alittle will have greater sea surgeies during storms which would flood them anyway.
If carbon levels are not stop and then also reduced world wide, which is impossiable due to India and China wanting to become like America, sea levels will rise much faster. Indonisia being an island nation, sea level rising would force many Indonisans to leave their islands that are not hapital anymore and move to the already populated ones. One thing you have to understand is if civil war were to start in Indonesia due to sea level rising or any other reason, many people would flee to Australia. This means that even if sea level rising does not seriously effect Indonesia there is a good chance they will be forced to come anyway. But if sea levels rose by 1.5 to 2 meters by the end of this century they would invade Australia.
Something you should all know about Indonesia is that its population is 250 million, and with its current growth rate it is expected to double by 2025. Even if we stop sea level rising they are going to become so over populated that they are going to have to expanded their county to all of Papua new guinea and eventual northern Australia. With around 100 000 Australian mothers having apportion every year, our population is not increasing that much, we could never stand up to Indonesia. You may say America will help us but you have to understand, the Indonesian army will not be invading Australia, it will be millions of Indonesians. Indonesia is made up of 19 000 islands but only 6000 of them are inhabitable, and the ones that are inhabited have mounts and large hills on them that reduce the amount of land that can be lived on.
Many school kids and adults in Indonesia think that the north of Australia is owned by Indonesia. This is due to maps in schools and others used by the general public been made in the olden days by the European Dutch colonies that mapped the northern parts of Australia. They lay claim to the north of Australia and included it on their maps when they also owned most of Indonesia.
What will we do if they all want to live in Australia, who knows?
One thing for sure is, we have a big country with only 2.6 people per squire kilometer we have too much space. In times of real need, the United Nation will force the Australian people to allocate land to people like Indonesians to use if they run out of space from rising sea levels or over population. I mean look what happened in Israel, United Nation gave nearly half the land to the Jews when everyone new that Palestinians had been living there for over 1000 years.
My hole family was born in England and I was the only one born in Australia, the English invaded this country and took it over, what’s to say that Indonesia can not do the same,
Don’t hate the player hate the game………………………………Indonesia is just a player like us.
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Post by Flash on Dec 26, 2007 11:49:47 GMT -5
Is this still on the cards?
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Post by Flash on Dec 26, 2007 16:00:30 GMT -5
The following is a copy of the message you sent to David Oldfield -
Overnights via 2GB.com
Name: Keith of Canley Vale
Email: nswamfm@yahoo.com
Suburb: Canley Vale
State: NSW
Country: Australia
Phone: 02 9726 7841
Comments received: With the delivery by Santa of the Sukhoi SU-27's and
30MK's bought
with the tsunami money the Indonesian AF now has
more advanced aircraft than the Australia Defence Forces' FB-111 and
F-18 or the
American F-18 and F-14. Add to that the Russian S-300 missile system
which was
specfically designed to take out the American and Australian -F111's
and air superiority and what next?
Don't knock the possibility of an Indonesian Invasion. They're a take
all and give nothing back nation. They could easily in the end support
their Islamic brothers and push their way into North Western Australia
which is largely unoccupied. The United Nations probably wouldn't help
us either. Their attitude would be, well, you have the bottom half and
they can have the top half. It's not as silly as it sounds, just take
a look at the S**tfight in Papua at the moment and thats really all
over land takeover for minerals and resources. They need the room and
don't care how they get it.
There are probably more Indonesian troops on leave at the moment than
we have personell in our three services. Someday Indonesia will need
more room, especiallly as their birthrate is much higher than ours.
Australia will be much more attractive than anywhere to their North,
so down here is going to look most attractive.
Australia would be an easy mark. All Indonesia would need to do is to
get a foothold, then in come the UN and the whittling down process
could begin. 'Poor Fella, My Country'.
Then there is the problem of fellow Islamic nation Pakistan lending
Indonesia a :"nuke:
IP: 121.218.166.220
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