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Post by charlienogun on Oct 13, 2005 17:14:29 GMT -5
What do you call a non-Australian holding an Australian citizenship?
I thought the answer was an "Australian".
How do you identify them Albert?
Do they dress differently or something?
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 13, 2005 18:17:49 GMT -5
Albert,
In reply 50 you mentioned Non-Australians holding Australian citizenship.
What are these citizens called and how do we recognise them?
Do they dress differently or something?
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 13, 2005 18:58:19 GMT -5
Raven,
I did not believe that people with your xenophobia were "let out to spread such evil" within our community.
I suppose it is part of our democratic society to allow such ravings.
There was hadly a view in your long and well written post 55 that I could agree with.
In your "Assimilate or Leave law" is their a "religion" that we all assimilate to? That is what is Australia's religion? The dollar; or is it some sort of worship of surf sun, sport and grog and sex in that order?
I note you are against ethnic gangs and Islamic gangs. Are Aussie or "whitie" gangs OK as you left them out?
Which area in the federal budget do we reduce spending on so we can defend ourselves against these so called Northern threats?
In your proposed new "White Australia" policy do we let in all white racists only or are there some tolerant and Christian whites that you would keep out too?
You know the "elite" educated type that go on about saying we should live with our neighbours other strange, to you, Christian belief structures.
You know, do you let in the "whites" that keep saying that Australians are living in one of the most peaceful and most successful multicultural nations in the world.
You know do we let in the ones that TALK PEACE against your talk of "aggression and hate" for your neighbours and all those whites who are not as bigoted as you are?
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 13, 2005 19:42:23 GMT -5
Charlie,
Holding Australian citizenship makes you an Australian national under international law and entitles you to all the benefits an Australian Citizen is entitled to. Sadly, to some, citizenship is just a road to an end and nothing more than a piece of paper.
Acquired citizenship it does not make you an Australian at heart. I know many people who hold Australian Citizenship for nothing more than convenience, protection (usually abused when committing a crime in their country of origin) and materialistic/mecenery reasons.
They make no bones about their plans to leave this country for the old one the minute the economy starts to crumble, or if we come under external threat
These are the 'non-Australians holding Australian Citizenship' I refer to.
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Post by Jafar AsSadiq Calley on Oct 13, 2005 20:57:52 GMT -5
Jafar As-Sadiq Calley
Lol. Who thinks this znti islamic stuff up?
I could say..
"Leading Military Researchers believe Latvian peasants will rise up in the
next 50 years and take over most of Western Europe. All countries are
urged to buy nukes."
That has about as much sense as what this "thinktank" came up with. I bet
they were well paid for it out of taxpayer's money too.
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Jafar Calley
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Post by David on Oct 13, 2005 21:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by David on Oct 13, 2005 21:24:58 GMT -5
PS keep up the Brilliant Site and your high standard! Sure saves Wading through reams of Political Crap Charlie CANT be 90 ;D |
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Post by Raven on Oct 13, 2005 21:28:27 GMT -5
Raven, I did not believe that people with your xenophobia were "let out to spread such evil" within our community. I suppose it is part of our democratic society to allow such ravings. There was hadly a view in your long and well written post 55 that I could agree with. In your "Assimilate or Leave law" is their a "religion" that we all assimilate to? That is what is Australia's religion? The dollar; or is it some sort of worship of surf sun, sport and grog and sex in that order? I note you are against ethnic gangs and Islamic gangs. Are Aussie or "whitie" gangs OK as you left them out? Which area in the federal budget do we reduce spending on so we can defend ourselves against these so called Northern threats? In your proposed new "White Australia" policy do we let in all white racists only or are there some tolerant and Christian whites that you would keep out too? You know the "elite" educated type that go on about saying we should live with our neighbours other strange, to you, Christian belief structures. You know, do you let in the "whites" that keep saying that Australians are living in one of the most peaceful and most successful multicultural nations in the world. You know do we let in the ones that TALK PEACE against your talk of "aggression and hate" for your neighbours and all those whites who are not as bigoted as you are? Its you that are Bigoted Charlinogun. You are living in 1956. Times Change and people must. I bet you are a Beasley Voter  |
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 13, 2005 23:48:37 GMT -5
Jafar,
What is wrong with the conclusions drawn by the 'think-tank'?
It comprises of qualified people who have both proven intelligence, a wealth of knowledge and experience and access to up-to-date military, Foreign policy, economic and international briefs and information that you will never ever get to see.
Seeing you have a dissenting voice you might like to share the your qualification for scoffing at their conclusions.
PS. your paranoia is showing - the think-tank made no mention of Islam, or Indonesia for that matter. But we all know where the threat will come from - you said it yourself.
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 2:54:24 GMT -5
Jafar, Just for interest's sake let us look at the possible triggers for conflict in SA/SEA in the next 15 years. Muslim Pakistan versus predominently Hindu India? (nuklear?) Muslim Southern Thailand aided and abetted by Malaysia versus predominently Bhudist Thailand? Muslim South Philippines aided and abetted by Saudi Arabia, Lybia and Malaysia versus the Christian Philippines? Muslim neighbours put the squeeze on the tiny island state of Singapore? Muslim violence and extremism against minorities, Christians, Bhudists and Hindus causes the disintergartion of the republic of Indonesia? Muslim Indonesian treatment of West Papuans (Irian Jaya)and cross border incursions into PNG, aided by the complete collapse of PNG as a nation? Australia once again comes to the aid of PNG and in doing so finds itself policing the PNG border with Irian Jaya. Indonesian military assets are staged in Irian Jaya and the border and PNG as a whole becomes a flashpoint for Indonesian aggression? Plenty there to consider Jafar - but notice one common denominator, ISLAM as the aggressor. And I haven't even bothered to scan the possibility of homw grown attacks perpetrated by, yes, you guessed it, mulsim extremists. What do you think would be the outcome of a serious CNB attack on Australian soil- how might the oridnary Aussie react? After all, muslim extremists have already declared war on the West. We could get into the affects on Australia of conflict in the Middle East (Nuclear Iran/Nuclear Israel), North Korea (Nuclear) and Mainland China (Nuclear) and a US supported Taiwan, but those scenarios are outside the 'think-tanks' regional brief on this particular occasion. Everyone, including moderate muslims had better pray that there is never such a thing as the 'Mulsim Bomb'  |
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 2:54:40 GMT -5
Raven,
I am happy to be a bigot for peace.
I fail to see what my political voting habits have got to do with this subject.
I note you have failed to answer any of my questions.
Yes, times have changed from the late 1950s to early 1960s when Indonesia represented a threat because it was acquiring a capability to threaten Australia.
What are the Indonesian capabilities today that you believe are a threat to Australia?
Why are you very afraid of the Islamic faith that has been in Australia for over 118 years and has not at any time been a threat to fellow Australians?
In fact it has been Australians who have burnt down Islamic property.
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 2:56:56 GMT -5
Albert,
You must tell the Board how you know so much about how some people think about being an Australian Citizen.
How do you know these things and why does it matter to you?
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 4:03:44 GMT -5
Charlie, How do I know these things and why does it matter?Easy, I get out alot and I speak to many many people. I have many friends of many colors and creeds and I had a 35 year career in an organisation that touched on such issues. You won't learn much cooped-up in The Tweed. I care Charlie, because I AM a born and bred Australian and more importantly, I have the future of this nation at heart. In the simplest of terms - I care because I care. (Keith - please note the irrelevant, inane and personal nature of Charlie's questions. Also please note that I have responded only because I am trying to be nice to him - besides I'm sick and tired of having to clean crap off my boots  ). |
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 4:13:27 GMT -5
Charlie
You ask Raven:
"Why are you very afraid of the Islamic faith that has been in Australia for over 118 years and has not at any time been a threat to fellow Australians?"
You have again chosen to forget the Broken Hill Picnic on News year's day 1915 when two Afghans fired on a defenceless picnic train killing 4 (incluing a young girl)and wounding seven. In a note found on the perpetrators, he claimed it was their islamic duty and done in the name of their 'Sultan'. We were not at war with Afghanistan.
This is the umpteenth time you have been told this Charlie but your still push your ldeceitful ine "the Islamic faith that has been in Australia for over 118 years and has not at any time been a threat to fellow Australians?"
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Post by Keith on Oct 14, 2005 7:07:28 GMT -5
Charlie, How do I know these things and why does it matter?Easy, I get out alot and I speak to many many people. I have many friends of many colors and creeds and I had a 35 year career in an organisation that touched on such issues. You won't learn much cooped-up in The Tweed. I care Charlie, because I AM a born and bred Australian and more importantly, I have the future of this nation at heart. In the simplest of terms - I care because I care. (Keith - please note the irrelevant, inane and personal nature of Charlie's questions. Also please note that I have responded only because I am trying to be nice to him - besides I'm sick and tired of having to clean crappy off my boots ). Perfectly reasonable |
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 11:09:20 GMT -5
Albert,
I had no knowledge of that criminal act at Broken Hill.
In the last 15 years we have had two series of irrational random criminal acts, one in Melbourne by a deranged ex Army person and another in Port Arthur.
In your view does this mean we must FEAR all whites in Australia.
See these things for what they are; Criminal acts by irrational and deluded members of our society.
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 11:24:59 GMT -5
Albert,
I thank you for answering my questions.
For my part I have no interests in those who choose, in our free society, not to defend their freedom. To me it seems a meaningless waste of energy being concerned for such people who place no value on their freedoms.
In your posts you give/gave the impression that these groups were not a relevant part of our society because they exercised a freedom that they are allowed to exercise in our democracy.
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 16:58:33 GMT -5
Charlie,
You now claim you had no knowledge of the terrorist act at Broken Hill.
You know damned well that I have told you each and every time you have posted that same old fallacious line "the Islamic faith that has been in Australia for over 118 years and has not at any time been a threat to fellow Australians?
Now you drag in the example of two white Australians whose mental health system has failed them, in an effort to balance the scales and divert attention.
Society will always have its nutters, nutters who were born that way or suffer the consequences of a physical injury to the brain. On the other hand Islamic fundamentalism and fanaticism is an adopted state of mind. It is an ideology and a product of concerted and lengthy periods of preperation. Worlds apart.
Your method of argument belongs in the schoolyard Charlie.
Charlie - let's not go over old ground and most of all lets be honest.
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 17:03:46 GMT -5
Charlie,
If as you claim
"For my part I have no interests in those who choose, in our free society, not to defend their freedom"
why then do you ask the questions you do on the subject? If you're not interested, save us all the bother and just it ignore it. Likewise, if you are not sure of the ground you are standing on may I suggest you quickly move along.
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 17:41:55 GMT -5
Albert,
As usual you miss or twist the points I am trying to make to you.
So we have had one incident of religious terrorism or as you put it a religious nutter at Broken Hill in 118 years.
We had another nutter burn down an Islamic place of worship in Brisbane three years ago.
What do we call that TWO nutters attacking each other or just two screwed up nutters.
Where is the evidence in Australia for other violence from religious nutters.
We had Roach an Englishman convert want to attack a Jewish target in Canberra.
Do we now fear all English converts?
These are just criminal acts by nutters who are driven to kill other people because they do not like the way they think.
EVERY DAY ON THIS BOARD YOU ARE TELLING US THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE THE WAY SOME PEOPLE THINK.
What does that make you?
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 17:54:56 GMT -5
What does that make me Charlie?
About the same as everyone else here I suppose.
We all have differing views and opinions to air but what seems to get your goat up so much and turn you into a blathering idiot is the fact that some have the ability to qualify their opinions.
I see I have to keep correcting you. I did not say the two Afghans terrorists were 'nutters'. They made a conscious decision to attack and kill civilians and left notes admitting their actions were religious.
There are many more such instances I can cite - but what would be the use?
In future PLEASE DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. (SHOUTING).
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 17:55:19 GMT -5
Albert,
You again miss my point on being upset about people who choose to exercise their freedoms in Australia.
I simply find many personal views about people not conforming to ones beliefs and needs a very disturbing element in a personality.
People with your strong views are in fact are displaying the EXACT nature that they say they dislike in others. They show intolerance for the views of others when these others are unable to see their TRUTHS.
When I relate these concepts to your personal views it is your intolerance for an arguement or another view that makes you like the radical religious nutter you say you object to.
We do live in a free country and this freedom means people are allowed to have opinions without being abused by nutters who object to these opinions.
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 18:26:27 GMT -5
Yes Charlie, we do live in a free country and I suppose you think that gives you the right to bullshit time and time again. I fear from your comments that you are 'projecting" again.
People ar entitled to their views Charlie but they should be reasonable and where possible backed up by facts. The truth and the facts of the matter should not be subected to manipulation. The truth is what it is and can't be changed - no matter how much you like to.
You challenge just about every post from anyone that does not agree with your garbled view of the world - yet I don't see those posters becoming unhinged and falling out of their tree like you often do. Notice Charlie that I do not have to lie to get my point across.
Moderator - once again you have let this @%*%? hijack an interesting and informative thread and please note, Charlie is talking about others. As you have recently stated you don't like that - can you tell him to get back on track. ( I'd hate to be told that I was telling others what to do).
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Post by charlienogun on Oct 14, 2005 22:37:15 GMT -5
Albert,
Now Now back to your normal abuse when you have difficulty with cogent thought.
Your intolerance is showing again.
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 14, 2005 23:45:03 GMT -5
Charlie,
you make the mistake of confusing constructive criticism with abuse. You know what abuse is don't you - like calling posters Nazis, xenophobes, facists, slave-traders etc with extreme malice.
If I ever drop my guard and decide to directly abuse you - watch out - you ain't seen nothing yet.
Now let's clear up one outstanding issue shall we. You, with the aid of Keith, have been deceiving this board for a long time by having posters believe you are an old fart. Probably in an effort to win you some respect or as an excuse for your behaviour.
But really Charles I know you were born in Oct 41 - putting you in the same generation as some of the others posters here.
Years ago you told the board you were 72 while Keith only recently claimed you were 90. Normally I show respect for my elders, but you charlie, are not my elder by enough, so watch out.
We are of a similar age and generation and our weapons are our knowledge, our understanding and our logic and, of course, the keyboard -
Ten paces please.
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Post by salttwo on Oct 15, 2005 0:28:35 GMT -5
Albert,
It seems you have problems with Charlie and I think we have had enough of both of you.
Please post on the subject and give up this silly theme of yours.
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Post by ALBERT on Oct 15, 2005 0:39:01 GMT -5
Charlie, Rod, RD, Salt, Saltwo and whatever else.
You do make me laugh. When the going gets tough......
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Post by salttwo on Oct 15, 2005 1:19:07 GMT -5
Grow up Mate.
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Post by SUS on Oct 15, 2005 2:52:41 GMT -5
> Lol. Who thinks this stuff up? > I could say.. > "Leading Military Researchers believe Latvian peasants will rise up in > the next 50 years and take over most of Western Europe. All countries are > urged to buy nukes." > That has about as much sense as what this "thinktank" came up with. I bet > they were well paid for it out of taxpayer's money too. The Bilderbergers apparently have been whispering about a war between Malaysia and Indonesia over Oil and resources in PNG /West Papua (Irian Jiya) and their territorial waters. Indonesia being a threat to Australia is nothing new. But I note that Australia has been being very 'pally pally' with Indo of late with much more aid going to them. Also not new is that Malaysain logging companies are very entrenched in PNG and parts of Indonesia. Do we have an FTA with Indonesia or Malysia ..no. But we do with the US and US/British interstes have a very strong interest in Oceanic resources. I wonder if Washington will play their cards against the regional powers to get the best deal? My guess is that Australia is courting the Indonesians as an ally against Malyasia, (the 2nd Bali bombers were Malaysian?). All being run from Wall St and London of course. Will we soon see Malaysia being portrayed as an Islamist terrorist state? Do the Bali bomings result in the Indonesian people dispising Islam and soon Malaysia? We'll see. Sus. |
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Post by Keith on Oct 15, 2005 3:28:53 GMT -5
Charlie, Rod, RD, Salt, Saltwo and whatever else. You do make me laugh. When the going gets tough...... Maybe the Aligator ate tysia ;D |
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