Multiculturism, what is it?

[cramerj]

Johnny said:

Workingman

It is the same, no matter wht messageboard you visit or post your read.

Some will try to convince you with a restaurant menu, while others can only refer you to their hijacked and abused 'Principles'.

Multiculturalism is a dead fish and needs to be replaced with something that will work for today's immigration demographic.

Won't happen though because it has become an industry that lines the pockets of the most deceitful and devious of people.

cramerj said

Johhny you sound like our Black Race relations Minister back home

She wants to pull apart multiculturism like you do

After pervasive political violence during the late apartheid years, the South African Government developed a policy akin to multiculturalism

Why violence along ethnic and racial lines has diminished in South Africa thanks to Multiculturism

And you want to pull it apart here?

I dont think thats a good idea

I think you should live in a country with real race problems before you come preaching here

[letmereply]

workingman said:

Lots of interesting replies but still no one has attempted to actually provide a definition of 'multiculturalism'.

It is apparent there are two main camps though. The emotively driven 'lets all love one another' camp and the realist 'this will never work' camp.

Workingman,

You asked a question and were advised where to find an answer to that question for Australia.

You were then asked three times if you had visited that site for your answer. You ignored all requests.

I can only assume that you do not want to know what Australia's Multicultural policies are and how they work in practice.

I do not understand why you asked the question in the first place.

I can only assume you set out to prove a point and you ignored advice about your answer so you can prove your point.

You might like to let us in on the point you were trying to prove mate because you look very silly ignoring the posts that gave you many answers of what our multicultural policies and practices are all about.

Is it that you lack the ability to comprehend ideas that do not support your preconceived concepts on the subject?

By the way "loving and respecting one another and obeying the laws of the land" are the basic concepts of a free democratic liberal society.


What society do your realists "This will never work" camp think they live in?

[workingman]

letmereply, mate, the question is 'what is multiculturalism'. I don't give a rat's about 'policies', politicians change policies with their under pants.

What is 'Multiculturalism'? Can you provide us with a definition?

There is so much talk on this board about multiculturalism, but what the F**K is it!! You cannot discuss something you cannot define. You know the old saying about apples and oranges, are we talking about the same thing?

Let's decide what 'Multiculturalism' is first, then debate its merits. Without a consenus on the definition first, all further debate is meaningless. if (as it appears) there are different definitions, then we are never discussing multiculuralism, we are only discussing different policies/ideaology.

[letmereply]

Workingman,

There is only one present policy that provides the basis for our Australian Multicultural Australian Society that I and almost all Australian have knowledge of and that policy is found at;

www.immi.gov.au/

Then on the left side click on Multicultural Australia



Then read away.

That is our Multicultural Policy there is no more deciding to do

We know what our Policy is and now we can comment on it as we will then all now know what we are commenting on.

I understood that was what Dougiedodo was trying to say to you before he gave up and now seems to have left the board as he has not posted for some time.

This site even gives advice on spending and details of the community projects that are funded to help immigrants learn about our Australian community and become an Australian.

There are no other definitions of what Australia's multi culture is. Any other definition has no authority and is not what is taught to Australians.

All Senior Primary and all Senior High School children use this site as do all Australian Community Groups and TAFE Colleges and all Universities.

The site is identified in all educational material distributed by all the state education departments and is found as a source for projects in all higher learning institutions.

If you were not taught these policies at school or are old YOU CAN TEACH YOURSELF AT THIS SITE and all young Australians would know what you are talking about.

You have been told that the definition you seek is at this site. It is difficult to understand why you question it unless you have another agenda.

Policy in Australia on immigration and how immigrants become Australian Citizens is a political decision of the Federal Government. They are the only Authority in this area.

Remember the "We will decide who will come etc "political statement' before an election.

What is the authority you seek for another definition of our Multicultural Society.

We elect politicians to make these decisions for us.

There is no other authority in Australia that decides our Multicultural Policies.

Do you not understand these BASIC CONCEPTS of our Society.

Why not explain what you are trying to do by ignoring the Australian definition of our Multicultural Society?

Are you trying to change it; Comment on it: start a discussion on it?

Then why not begin at the authorized DEFINITION and go from there?

[letmereply]

workingman said:

letmereply, mate, the question is 'what is multiculturalism'. I don't give a rat's about 'policies', politicians change policies with their under pants.

What is 'Multiculturalism'? Can you provide us with a definition?

There is so much talk on this board about multiculturalism, but what the F**K is it!! You cannot discuss something you cannot define. You know the old saying about apples and oranges, are we talking about the same thing?

Let's decide what 'Multiculturalism' is first, then debate its merits. Without a consensus on the definition first, all further debate is meaningless. if (as it appears) there are different definitions, then we are never discussing multiculturalism, we are only discussing different policies/ideology.

I have re read you last comment and will now address each point of your last post as quoted above;

1. The Multicultural Australian Society is created by the policies of the Australian Government. These are social policies as set out in the Immigration site that creates Australia's multicultural society.

So if you are interested in a formal authorized definition of our Multicultural Society you must look at what these policies are and what the aim and principles of these policies are trying to achieve as social policies.
2. The closest I can come to an Authorized definition is a society that in the main keeps to the four principles of Australian Multiculture as set out on the Immigration Dept web site.

3. If you want to discuss something about our Australian Multiculture I believe a discussion of these four principles would be a good place to start.Yes there are different world wide definitions of a multicultural society as each country using the policy applies different weighting to various aspects of the principles of their multicultural society.

However the basic thrust of the principles remain the same.

These principles are headed 1. Responsibility of all; 2. Respect for each person; 3. Fairness for each person and 4. Benefits and competition for all.

The concepts are fleshed out on the site.

Any other concepts or definition of Australian Multiculture is not valid unless it uses the Immigration web site as a source or an Authority and has nothing to do with defining Australian's Multicultural society.

The many other definitions that exist are usually the erroneous views of the many anti multiculturalists who have their own agenda that is against our successful multicultural society.

This is why I have suggested you have your own agenda because you do not accept our governments support for our multicultural society.

You are not interested in our present policies which provide the outline ond definition of a successful multicultural society.

You want to ignore them and talk about something else that are not our policies and not part of Australia's current society.

[workingman]

So, according to letmereply, multiculuralism is whatever the government tells them it is and any thoughts to the contrary are not valid. The pollies must love you, I am sure you would have gone far in Nazi Germany with that sort of attitude.

letmereply admitts there are different definitions and interpretations of multiculturalism resulting in different policies in different countries. they seem to be suggesting that every 'official' multicultural policy is right and acceptable.

And once again we have come full circal back to there being no definition of 'multiculturalism', only talk of government created multicultural polices. If, as letmereply is suggesting, 'multiculturalism' does not have a meaning outside government policy, then the word is really meaningless.

My Collins Concise Dictionary does even list the word 'multiculturalism'.

[nifty]

workingman said:

So, according to letmereply, multiculuralism is whatever the government tells them it is and any thoughts to the contrary are not valid.
The pollies must love you, I am sure you would have gone far in Nazi Germany with that sort of attitude.

letmereply admitts there are different definitions and interpretations of multiculturalism resulting in different policies in different countries. they seem to be suggesting that every 'official' multicultural policy is right and acceptable.

And once again we have come full circal back to there being no definition of 'multiculturalism', only talk of government created multicultural polices. If, as letmereply is suggesting, 'multiculturalism' does not have a meaning outside government policy, then the word is really meaningless.

Absolute Crap idiot

My Collins Concise Dictionary does even list the word 'multiculturalism'.

God youre sic and need a doctor

Chances are he will be Indian or Chinese and he will save your life


n
multicultural Show phonetics
adjective
including people who have many different customs and beliefs:
Britain is increasingly a multicultural society.

multiculturalism Show phonetics
noun
the existence of several cultures within a society

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

[Remy]

Look at the 3 Black Women abandoned in Newcastle


The Black Child who died because the Parents couldnt use a Phone to call 000


Multicultur(al)ism is apartheid by another name, and no, it is NOT in
the least bit cool.

Please take a short moment to respond to our brief survey -


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


Question 1.


It is a good idea to bring into the country millions of people whose
culture is totally incompatible with and hostile towards the culture of
the host country, and to encourage those people to form mono-cultural
enclaves and, via generous welfare payments, make it un-necessary or at
least non-urgent for them to seek employment, and therefore
un-necessary or at least non-urgent for them to assimilate into, and
learn the language of, the host culture. Do you -


(a) Strongly agree
(b) Somewhat agree
(c) Somewhat disagree
(d) Strongly disagree, or,
(e) Don't know


Thank you for your time.

[nifty]

Remy said:

Look at the 3 Black Women abandoned in Newcastle


The Black Child who died because the Parents couldnt use a Phone to call 000


Multicultur(al)ism is apartheid by another name, and no, it is NOT in
the least bit cool.

Please take a short moment to respond to our brief survey -


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


Question 1.


It is a good idea to bring into the country millions of people whose
culture is totally incompatible with and hostile towards the culture of
the host country, and to encourage those people to form mono-cultural
enclaves and, via generous welfare payments, make it un-necessary or at
least non-urgent for them to seek employment, and therefore
un-necessary or at least non-urgent for them to assimilate into, and
learn the language of, the host culture. Do you -


(a) Strongly agree
(b) Somewhat agree
(c) Somewhat disagree
(d) Strongly disagree, or,
(e) Don't know


Thank you for your time.

So The Liberal Party wants to fill the Country up with
Black Africans who cant speak English and hate the place and engage in crime and who bash whites and never want to work ?"?


Yes Yes? Yes?

[letmereply]

workingman said:

So, according to letmereply, multiculturalism is whatever the government tells them it is and any thoughts to the contrary are not valid. The pollies must love you, I am sure you would have gone far in Nazi Germany with that sort of attitude.

letmereply admits there are different definitions and interpretations of multiculturalism resulting in different policies in different countries. they seem to be suggesting that every 'official' multicultural policy is right and acceptable.

And once again we have come full circle back to there being no definition of 'multiculturalism', only talk of government created multicultural polices. If, as letmereply is suggesting, 'multiculturalism' does not have a meaning outside government policy, then the word is really meaningless.

My Collins Concise Dictionary does even list the word 'multiculturalism'.

Workingman,

You are almost there.

YES YES the definition of our Australian multiculture is a government led policy and government definition.

There are no other definitions of Australian Multiculturalism because the government of Australia defines, funds and fully controls the Policies and the definitions.

The difference between us and the totalitarian state of NAZI Germany mate is when you were told to hate someone you had no option because Nazi Germany was not a free democratic nation.

If you do not like our Australian multicultural policies you are free to vote against the government next year and you can change them to what your newly elected government wants.

You are silly when you suggest that I am saying that every or any multicultural policy was right or acceptable.

When did I say that Workingman?

Both I and dougiedodo have been trying to get you to agree to the Australian Governments definition of multiculturalism so we could begin to come up with some agreed changes to the government policy.

Dougiedodo has given up and I am still trying to get you to agree to look at our current policy and aims and definitions.

It seems I am wasting my time if you are now telling me what I think of our present Multicultural policies before I have even stated my position or made any comment on our present policies .

I can only assume that you have another agenda and you are not interested in our Australian Multicultural Policies our principles or our definitions.

So let us all in on your position mate.

[letmereply]

Remy said:

Look at the 3 Black Women abandoned in Newcastle


The Black Child who died because the Parents couldn't use a Phone to call 000


Multicultur(al)ism is apartheid by another name, and no, it is NOT in
the least bit cool.

Please take a short moment to respond to our brief survey -


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


Question 1.


It is a good idea to bring into the country millions of people whose
culture is totally incompatible with and hostile towards the culture of
the host country, and to encourage those people to form mono-cultural
enclaves and, via generous welfare payments, make it un-necessary or at
least non-urgent for them to seek employment, and therefore
un-necessary or at least non-urgent for them to assimilate into, and
learn the language of, the host culture. Do you -


(a) Strongly agree
(b) Somewhat agree
(c) Somewhat disagree
(d) Strongly disagree, or,
(e) Don't know


Thank you for your time.

Remy,

Which part of our multicultural policy and what part of the spending on our policy encourages people from different cultures to form mono-cultures in Australia.

If you got yourself involved in our policy you would know that a large effort is given over to doing the exact opposite after they have had their 512 hours of instruction in English and can survive in our society alone.

All the African coloured I know that attend my church quickly got employed and quickly threw themselves into our society. I am sure there are some who find it difficult to do so.

The assumptions in your survey are wrong and have been made from an ignorance of the reality of what does happen in our community.

What is your authority for the assumptions made?

[Jenna]

As I see it nobody is able to provide a definition or one positive facet of Multiculturalism.

Government policy is it? Yes and a flawed government policy at that . A policy that is partly responsible for the decline of this nation, our values and the way we treat eachother as a society.

As with anything, everything eventually declines to satisfy the lowest common denominator.

What is the Governemnt doing to this country and why are we allowing it to happen?

I vote D

[letmereply]

nifty said:

Remy said:

Look at the 3 Black Women abandoned in Newcastle


The Black Child who died because the Parents couldnt use a Phone to call 000


Multicultur(al)ism is apartheid by another name, and no, it is NOT in
the least bit cool.

Please take a short moment to respond to our brief survey -


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


Question 1.


It is a good idea to bring into the country millions of people whose
culture is totally incompatible with and hostile towards the culture of
the host country, and to encourage those people to form mono-cultural
enclaves and, via generous welfare payments, make it un-necessary or at
least non-urgent for them to seek employment, and therefore
un-necessary or at least non-urgent for them to assimilate into, and
learn the language of, the host culture. Do you -


(a) Strongly agree
(b) Somewhat agree
(c) Somewhat disagree
(d) Strongly disagree, or,
(e) Don't know


Thank you for your time.

So The Liberal Party wants to fill the Country up with
Black Africans who cant speak English and hate the place and engage in crime and who bash whites and never want to work ?"?


Yes Yes? Yes?

Nifty,

I do not believe that your comment is part of the Immigration policy of the present government.

You might like to look up the policy and learn something instead of making very demonising assumptions about people with a different coloured skin to yours.

If you think that is their policy please vote them out of government next election.

[Jemma]

Tell me what good to Australia are a family of people who can't even speak English or use a phone. Whose fault will it be when this hunter/gatherer fails to obey a red light and walks in front of a moving car or sticks a metal object into a light socket. Why ours of course and the ambuklance chasing lawyers will be out for Government (taxpayer funded) compensation.

Their deceased child had a medical condition and his brither has the same condition. That alone has been enough for the Immigration Department to deny an application for immigration to Australia from highly suitable applicants.

A family of five who will be a burden on welfare, medical and society for years to come.

Well done Howard and the Liberals - I hope you are out of office next time around so we can give the otrher idiots their chance to screw up the country.

We allow in refugees because they are oppressed and taken advantage of by their oponents - noone seems to realise that if the shoe was on the other foot the present oppressors would be the oppressed and we would be taking them in instead.

They are all the same and should be left at home to fight their own battles and for a better way of life. Their plight is of their making just as ours in the future will be if we keep accepting the worlds dross.

If you feel sorry for them, then you go over and join them.

[letmereply]

Jenna said:

As I see it nobody is able to provide a definition or one positive facet of Multiculturalism.

Government policy is it? Yes and a flawed government policy at that . A policy that is partly responsible for the decline of this nation, our values and the way we treat each other as a society.

As with anything, everything eventually declines to satisfy the lowest common denominator.

What is the Government doing to this country and why are we allowing it to happen?

I vote D

I generally support your views.

How we treat people in our society and how we judge success in our society is to some extent controlled by the Federal and State governments.

We have over the last 30 to 40 years allowed the things that were once our leaders and authorities in our society to be degraded and rejected. Our Churches; our police forces; our Unions that stood up for the working man; our community associations and local governments have been taken over by developers who are after the almighty DOLLAR.

The Churches that speak up against the Howard Government are belittled by members of that government. This helps degrade the once strong moral leadership of our churches.

We are led to worship the DOLLAR as the be all and end all of success.

All our institutions that once held the family as a main building block in our society have been reduced in strength.

Our PM tells us that children were thrown overboard and our enemies had Weapons of Mass destruction.

When did we allow our Prime Ministers to lie to us in the past?

Because we have allowed one to do it today and we still vote him back in.

[Ordog]

letmereply said:

nifty said:

So The Liberal Party wants to fill the Country up with
Black Africans who cant speak English and hate the place and engage in crime and who bash whites and never want to work ?"?


Yes Yes? Yes?

Nifty,

I do not believe that your comment is part of the Immigration policy of the present government.

You might like to look up the policy and learn something instead of making very demonising assumptions about people with a different coloured skin to yours.

If you think that is their policy please vote them out of government next election.

> So The Liberal Party wants to fill the Country up with
> Black Africans who cant speak English and hate the place and engage in
> crime and who bash whites and never want to work ?"?

> Yes Yes? Yes?



No! Not quite the way you put it!
Actually the lie-berals want to fill up the country with willing slave
labourers. Nothing else matters. That is why we now have such nice anti
terror laws/sedition laws combined with a nice Slave Relations ......I
mean Industrial Relations laws. Sounds ridiculous, but actually it is
quite tragic!

Ordog
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!

[Zappy]

Excuse me but Apartheid literally means "seperate development". That's the
problem with using words out of context. It sounds innocuous enough doesn't
it? It's like the term "political correctness" It's only ever right wing
nutjobs that use that kind of lingo. Multiculturalism and Apartheid are as
dissimilar as two things can be. Multiculturalsim is about strength through
diversity. Aprtheid is about building mini mono cultures within a state,
preferably through enforced seperation. It's a fine distinction and I don't
expect you to get it.

[Keith]

Jemma said:

Tell me what good to Australia are a family of people who can't even speak English or use a phone. Whose fault will it be when this hunter/gatherer fails to obey a red light and walks in front of a moving car or sticks a metal object into a light socket. Why ours of course and the ambuklance chasing lawyers will be out for Government (taxpayer funded) compensation.

Their deceased child had a medical condition and his brither has the same condition. That alone has been enough for the Immigration Department to deny an application for immigration to Australia from highly suitable applicants.

A family of five who will be a burden on welfare, medical and society for years to come.

Well done Howard and the Liberals - I hope you are out of office next time around so we can give the otrher idiots their chance to screw up the country.

We allow in refugees because they are oppressed and taken advantage of by their oponents - noone seems to realise that if the shoe was on the other foot the present oppressors would be the oppressed and we would be taking them in instead.

They are all the same and should be left at home to fight their own battles and for a better way of life. Their plight is of their making just as ours in the future will be if we keep accepting the worlds dross.

If you feel sorry for them, then you go over and join them.

Responding to a report in the Herald yesterday that two African women had been left in a house with no food after their arrival in Australia because they refused to sign a 12-month lease, ACL's managing director for government programs, Jenny Whitmarsh, said in a statement yesterday there had been a "miscommunication" over the lease agreement and the issuing of the food vouchers.

She said it had been made clear to case workers that food vouchers were to be issued regardless of whether refugees signed a tenancy agreement or not. Single women were to be supplied with feminine hygiene products, telephone cards and cash until they received their first Centrelink payments.

[TSIYA]

Zappy said:

Excuse me but Apartheid literally means "seperate development". That's the
problem with using words out of context. It sounds innocuous enough doesn't
it? It's like the term "political correctness" It's only ever right wing
nutjobs that use that kind of lingo. Multiculturalism and Apartheid are as
dissimilar as two things can be. Multiculturalsim is about strength through
diversity. Aprtheid is about building mini mono cultures within a state,
preferably through enforced seperation. It's a fine distinction and I don't
expect you to get it.

" Multiculturalsim is about strength through
diversity. Apartheid is about building mini mono cultures within a state"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Perhaps, if you could explain this distinction, more people could understand it!
Why does diversity necessarily lead to "strength"?
How do you end "apartheid" when the seperated parties prefer to be seperate, and "apart"?

[letmereply]

TSIYA said:

Zappy said:

Excuse me but Apartheid literally means "seperate development". That's the
problem with using words out of context. It sounds innocuous enough doesn't
it? It's like the term "political correctness" It's only ever right wing
nutjobs that use that kind of lingo. Multiculturalism and Apartheid are as
dissimilar as two things can be. Multiculturalsim is about strength through
diversity. Aprtheid is about building mini mono cultures within a state,
preferably through enforced seperation. It's a fine distinction and I don't
expect you to get it.

" Multiculturalsim is about strength through
diversity. Apartheid is about building mini mono cultures within a state"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Perhaps, if you could explain this distinction, more people could understand it!
Why does diversity necessarily lead to "strength"?
How do you end "apartheid" when the seperated parties prefer to be seperate, and "apart"?

TSIYA,

You should visit all mono cultural nations and groups and ask them why they are not as strong as the free democratic Multicultural Nations.

It is true that there are people and groups who want to freeze their development and live in their own mono culture within free democratic multicultures and you have some of them in your great USA.

They have rejected change and technology and have frozen their mono culture in the time of the 19th century.

Some prefer that. However these cultures add little to the diverse and dynamic society that makes up the great USA; that makes the USA the strongest nation on earth today.

Ever thought what the USA would be be like today if y'all chose to live in their mono culture of the 19th century?

[TSIYA]

letmereply said:

TSIYA said:

" Multiculturalsim is about strength through
diversity. Apartheid is about building mini mono cultures within a state"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Perhaps, if you could explain this distinction, more people could understand it!
Why does diversity necessarily lead to "strength"?
How do you end "apartheid" when the seperated parties prefer to be seperate, and "apart"?

TSIYA,

You should visit all mono cultural nations and groups and ask them why they are not as strong as the free democratic Multicultural Nations.

It is true that there are people and groups who want to freeze their development and live in their own mono culture within free democratic multicultures and you have some of them in your great USA.

They have rejected change and technology and have frozen their mono culture in the time of the 19th century.

Some prefer that. However these cultures add little to the diverse and dynamic society that makes up the great USA; that makes the USA the strongest nation on earth today.

Ever thought what the USA would be be like today if y'all chose to live in their mono culture of the 19th century?

Yes, I have. Tsiya is actually an English rendition of my Cherokee tribal name, it means "Otter". I am no way pure anything, but my natural tendencies tend to lead me toward a life out here in my ancestral homelands,and, to hell with all you Englishmen!
What a dream, what?
Thing is, it does not have a thing to do with reality.
As much as I wish to follow the old ways, I must still live in today.
If I don't choose to do so, shame on me!
The onus on your "Lebs" or whatever you choose to call them, is to cut the crap, and choose to be Australians.
This will not happen, so long as they continue to cluster up in government subsidized rat dens.
The USA exists, at this very moment, just precisely because none of us had a bunch of crazy Imams, telling any of us, what we must do, or eat, lest we go to hell.
I come from several ancestral lines, lines that survived, precisely, because, no one could tell us what we could eat. Had this land been colonized by picky eaters, Oh Well!
America got lucky, we formed an alliance with the sons of wolves, that many of you call "dogs", and we retained the individual right to slaughter whatever we needed to feed our children, and our dogs.
I cannot be happy that anyone invaded America, but, had Muslims invaded and conquered, we would all be drowning, and starving, in our own pool of sheat!
Thank God, we got invaded by the Fookin Europeans!

[letmereply]

TSIYA said:

letmereply said:

TSIYA,

You should visit all mono cultural nations and groups and ask them why they are not as strong as the free democratic Multicultural Nations.

It is true that there are people and groups who want to freeze their development and live in their own mono culture within free democratic multicultures and you have some of them in your great USA.

They have rejected change and technology and have frozen their mono culture in the time of the 19th century.

Some prefer that. However these cultures add little to the diverse and dynamic society that makes up the great USA; that makes the USA the strongest nation on earth today.

Ever thought what the USA would be be like today if y'all chose to live in their mono culture of the 19th century?

Yes, I have. Tsiya is actually an English rendition of my Cherokee tribal name, it means "Otter". I am no way pure anything, but my natural tendencies tend to lead me toward a life out here in my ancestral homelands,and, to hell with all you Englishmen!
What a dream, what?
Thing is, it does not have a thing to do with reality.
As much as I wish to follow the old ways, I must still live in today.
If I don't choose to do so, shame on me!
The onus on your "Lebs" or whatever you choose to call them, is to cut the crap, and choose to be Australians.
This will not happen, so long as they continue to cluster up in government subsidized rat dens.
The USA exists, at this very moment, just precisely because none of us had a bunch of crazy Imams, telling any of us, what we must do, or eat, lest we go to hell.
I come from several ancestral lines, lines that survived, precisely, because, no one could tell us what we could eat. Had this land been colonized by picky eaters, Oh Well!
America got lucky, we formed an alliance with the sons of wolves, that many of you call "dogs", and we retained the individual right to slaughter whatever we needed to feed our children, and our dogs.
I cannot be happy that anyone invaded America, but, had Muslims invaded and conquered, we would all be drowning, and starving, in our own pool of sheat!
Thank God, we got invaded by the Fookin Europeans!

TSIYA,

So you are related to a monoculture tribal background.

Your seem to show the natural sheltered fear of any external religion and I feel sorry for your fear. You clearly feel more secure with your own witch doctor and religion leaders.

IT COME WITH YOUR SHELTERED MONO CULTURE PAST AND EXPLAINS MUCH OF YOUR FEAR.

The rest of us European based multicultures find no problem with the Islamic religion we are only concerned about the ones in all religions who try to be radical. You see mate we have been fighting them since the 10th century.

Some like Your Jones town leaders who kill their own; and others like the radical Islamics who kill others and then there are the political terrorists in Ireland who went on a killing spree for 30 years are the ones you should worry about.

Our Lebanese or Lebs are Australians who have formed gangs that must be broken up as your New York and LA Gangs needed to be broken. It is little more than a Law and order problem that our Racist have distorted to their cause.


After you and your tribe have had a few generations out of your tribal monoculture you will gain a greater understanding of this world and not fear others so much. I hope and prey for your education.

[m]

Multiculturalism does not seem to be a law. Multiciulturalism is a statement of reality.

Communities come from around the world to settle here and in doing so become a part of our society whilst maintaining their own ethnic heritage.

Being Multicultural means accepting this reality and tolerating the diversity of our community.

The concept of multiculturalism falls down because we have only been applying this concept to the "white" community in Australia. We need to accept multiculturalism as the majority, but ethnic minorities have not been encouraged to do the same allowing for divisions to grow in ethnic communities towards the greater population. m

[Keith]

m said:

Multiculturalism does not seem to be a law. Multiciulturalism is a statement of reality.

Communities come from around the world to settle here and in doing so become a part of our society whilst maintaining their own ethnic heritage.

Being Multicultural means accepting this reality and tolerating the diversity of our community.

The concept of multiculturalism falls down because we have only been applying this concept to the "white" community in Australia. We need to accept multiculturalism as the majority, but ethnic minorities have not been encouraged to do the same allowing for divisions to grow in ethnic communities towards the greater population. m

Fine

But we need an alternative to champion.

What will work?

[Flash]

Keith said:

m said:

Multiculturalism does not seem to be a law. Multiciulturalism is a statement of reality.

Communities come from around the world to settle here and in doing so become a part of our society whilst maintaining their own ethnic heritage.

Being Multicultural means accepting this reality and tolerating the diversity of our community.

The concept of multiculturalism falls down because we have only been applying this concept to the "white" community in Australia. We need to accept multiculturalism as the majority, but ethnic minorities have not been encouraged to do the same allowing for divisions to grow in ethnic communities towards the greater population. m

Fine

But we need an alternative to champion.

What will work?

Migrants arriving with and after the First Fleet were mainly English
convicts and free settlers but included Italians, Greeks, Malays and people
from other parts of Europe. Religious tolerance and racial integration has
been inherent since the settling of Australia.

[Zappy]

We have to let the Africans in here

They are refugees.

They are stateless in other words.


What is to become of them?


Are they to be just left to die?


Show some humanity for christ's sake!

[letmereply]

Keith,

I agree we need something that works better than our present government policy.

Would it not be a good idea to find out where our current policy is in error and then change what we have to what we want.

I thought that this subject may have tried to do that.

Pity others are more interested in other things and do not want to address this subject.

[Brad]

Zappy said:

We have to let the Africans in here

They are refugees.

They are stateless in other words.


What is to become of them?


Are they to be just left to die?


Show some humanity for christ's sake!

As far as I'm concerned you are talking (or rather, ranting hysterically)
about 3 different issues.

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with our refugee policy, which is
dictated by the Geneva Convention On Refugees.


Multiculturalism is simply a social policy, aimed at encouraging respect
for other cultures. It's a very sensible policy if you wish to attract
skilled migrants.

[Keith]

letmereply said:

Keith,

I agree we need something that works better than our present government policy.

Would it not be a good idea to find out where our current policy is in error and then change what we have to what we want.

I thought that this subject may have tried to do that.

Pity others are more interested in other things and do not want to address this subject.

I Thought Multiculturism was fine but it hadnt worked with Islamic Lebanese and Vietnamese

[letmereply]

Keith

Would it not be more correct to say it (our social policy of Multiculture) has not worked with some refugees who came from a background of generations of instability in their old cultures that gave them little respect for any authority outside their close family units.

There are many Islamic Lebanese and Vietnamese who respect our laws and who are good Australian citizens.