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Post by ppyenews on Apr 16, 2006 8:28:53 GMT -5
PETROL PRICES - WHERE DOES IT STOP?  Welcome to 'Talkback Topic' - I'm Phillip Pye. It is Easter, another time of the year when a holiday break occurs and many of us hit the highways for an opportunity to catch up with Family, Friends, or just get away for a break. Like other times of the year when such holidays occur however, we are faced with the ever increasing turmoil of increased 'Petrol Prices', targeted it seems for someone to make a good quid out of the seemingly helpless motorist. Who do we blame though? The Petrol Retailers blame the Government, The Government blames World Oil prices and, the Oil Companies remain tight lipped over the whole affair. The fact is it is a vicious circle with the only real loser being the consumer. We hear a multitude of whinging about the fact that a litre of fuel is costing around $1.40, however, what is being done to find an alternative. Many may say, NOTHING, which is not entirely correct, For starters, an electric car has been imported into Australia. Called the 'Reva', and priced at around $15,000, it costs around 60 cents per 100 Km's to run. Although not really suitable for long distance traveling it still goes a long way to reducing the costs and uses of traditional Petrol. The car has however spent almost two years in a Melbourne Customs warehouse awaiting Government clearance. The reason, (so the Government says), they do not have a classification for the vehicle. There are also others who have found alternatives. Melbourne Engineer "Angelo Die Pietro has designed an engine that is fuelled by compressed air alone, and since air is free, all you have to do is pay for the power to compress it. That costs around $2.26 for around 100 Km's. The Engine has been proven that it can operate quite competitively in a normal family car, however, no one in Australia seems interested although interest has been shown from China and Germany. One would think any concerned Country would be supporting the idea. There was a New Zealand inventor in the 1970's who also designed a water powered system of running a conventional petrol driven motor but his invention never got off the ground. There has probably been a multitude of alternatives and some are operating successfully such as LPG, Hybrid cars (a combination of unleaded petrol and electricity), and Bio-Diesel. The truth is however that the Government, like other Governments have failed to promote alternatives, the reason, how to tax them. For starters, Prime Minister Howard's core promise that the price of petrol would not rise with the introduction of GST has ended up on the eternal pile of unbroken promises. There is a long list of other tax scams behind it but that's another story. At the end of the day Petrol is just another 'Milch Cow' and a very profitable one at that. The Government needs to be getting asked some very serious questions about all the EXTRA money it is making from excise on Petrol and where it is going. 11.8% is meant to be spent on the maintenance and building of roads. In reality only 7.4% is being spent. Prime Minister Howard, what is happening to the rest of it, Please Explain?. I'm Phillip Pye |
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Post by keith on Apr 16, 2006 12:20:10 GMT -5
PETROL PRICES - WHERE DOES IT STOP? Welcome to 'Talkback Topic' - I'm Phillip Pye from 1900 93 6397. It is Easter, another time of the year when a holiday break occurs and many of us hit the highways for an opportunity to catch up with Family, Friends, or just get away for a break. Like other times of the year when such holidays occur however, we are faced with the ever increasing turmoil of increased 'Petrol Prices', targeted it seems for someone to make a good quid out of the seemingly helpless motorist. Who do we blame though? The Petrol Retailers blame the Government, The Government blames World Oil prices and, the Oil Companies remain tight lipped over the whole affair. The fact is it is a vicious circle with the only real loser being the consumer. We hear a multitude of whinging about the fact that a litre of fuel is costing around $1.40, however, what is being done to find an alternative. Many may say, NOTHING, which is not entirely correct, For starters, an electric car has been imported into Australia. Called the 'Reva', and priced at around $15,000, it costs around 60 cents per 100 Km's to run. Although not really suitable for long distance traveling it still goes a long way to reducing the costs and uses of traditional Petrol. The car has however spent almost two years in a Melbourne Customs warehouse awaiting Government clearance. The reason, (so the Government says), they do not have a classification for the vehicle. There are also others who have found alternatives. Melbourne Engineer "Angelo Die Pietro has designed an engine that is fuelled by compressed air alone, and since air is free, all you have to do is pay for the power to compress it. That costs around $2.26 for around 100 Km's. The Engine has been proven that it can operate quite competitively in a normal family car, however, no one in Australia seems interested although interest has been shown from China and Germany. One would think any concerned Country would be supporting the idea. There was a New Zealand inventor in the 1970's who also designed a water powered system of running a conventional petrol driven motor but his invention never got off the ground. There has probably been a multitude of alternatives and some are operating successfully such as LPG, Hybrid cars (a combination of unleaded petrol and electricity), and Bio-Diesel. The truth is however that the Government, like other Governments have failed to promote alternatives, the reason, how to tax them. For starters, Prime Minister Howard's core promise that the price of petrol would not rise with the introduction of GST has ended up on the eternal pile of unbroken promises. There is a long list of other tax scams behind it but that's another story. At the end of the day Petrol is just another 'Milch Cow' and a very profitable one at that. The Government needs to be getting asked some very serious questions about all the EXTRA money it is making from excise on Petrol and where it is going. 11.8% is meant to be spent on the maintenance and building of roads. In reality only 7.4% is being spent. Prime Minister Howard, what is happening to the rest of it, Please Explain?. I'm Phillip Pye Join Brazil in planting oil  Only radical solutions will overcome the energy and environmental crises while promoting equality The 21st century will be marked by a crucial debate: how can we make economic and social development compatible with the preservation of our natural environment? The challenge is faced by developed and developing countries alike, but the burdens need to be more equally shared. 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As it can easily be produced by small farmers in some of the poorest regions of the country, the project combines environmental protection with rural development, and reduces social inequality. There is a great potential for biodiesel in Africa. Brazil is actively preparing itself for a new development paradigm that will meet the environmental and social challenges of the coming decades. Ethanol and biodiesel are the key components of our approach, and we are determined to "plant the oil of the future". I invite you to join us in our endeavours. · Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is the president of Brazil. |
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Post by willy on Apr 16, 2006 17:54:13 GMT -5
its easy to blame the government, but in this case, its their fault. they have the power to regulate or at the very least monitor the gouging by the fuelco's. but they dont. they stubbornly refuse to lower the exise. and in the case of the aussie farmer who grows his own canola, brews his own deisel to use in his own tractor on his own farm, HE HAS TO PAY THE FUEL EXISE TO THE FERAL GUBMINT.is this the lying rodents idea of promoting alternatives to fossil fuel.??
the gouging will stop when the poeple of .au force the mongrels in government to do the right thing.
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Post by lennie on Apr 17, 2006 0:42:29 GMT -5
its easy to blame the government, but in this case, its their fault. they have the power to regulate or at the very least monitor the gouging by the fuelco's. but they dont. they stubbornly refuse to lower the exise. and in the case of the aussie farmer who grows his own canola, brews his own deisel to use in his own tractor on his own farm, HE HAS TO PAY THE FUEL EXISE TO THE FERAL GUBMINT.is this the lying rodents idea of promoting alternatives to fossil fuel.?? the gouging will stop when the poeple of .au force the mongrels in government to do the right thing. I do not think it is a matter of forcing the Government to do anything because they simply will not listen until it's election time, and then they make another lot of promises to break, and so on goes the merry-go-round. It is now a matter of lobbying via your member of parliament. If he or she does not come up with a satisfactory answer or prove to betelling you a pack of lies or simply fobbing you off - don't vote for them. Many Australians still vote for the party in preference to their local MP which is not the way to go. Get stuck into your local MP on such issues. Research the truth and ask for the truth. |
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Post by willy on Apr 17, 2006 15:49:28 GMT -5
and if the other mob get in??? lobby local members?  this is orstaylya mate, if voting did anything consructive it would be banned.I was thinking maybe if the general public refused to complete tax returns and bas statements until the gubmints got off our backs, maybe theyd listen. |
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Post by lennie on Apr 18, 2006 0:49:59 GMT -5
and if the other mob get in??? lobby local members? this is orstaylya mate, if voting did anything consructive it would be banned.I was thinking maybe if the general public refused to complete tax returns and bas statements until the gubmints got off our backs, maybe theyd listen. Willy Trouble is, the ones that would suffer are the many that generally get a Tax Refund, and that my friend is the worker in this country who cannot do without Petrol or a Tax Refund. The ones that generally owe Tax are usually business people who write the petrol off to Tax anyhow so why would they give a toss. |
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Post by willy on Apr 18, 2006 4:24:25 GMT -5
valid point, however, if the campain were successful, and the exise lowered, would that be worth more than the average refund???
nothing good comes easy. to rein in the gubmint of .au would be a tough job, in the short term, but as in times past, ultimately worth it.
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Post by lennie on Apr 18, 2006 5:18:49 GMT -5
valid point, however, if the campain were successful, and the exise lowered, would that be worth more than the average refund??? nothing good comes easy. to rein in the gubmint of .au would be a tough job, in the short term, but as in times past, ultimately worth it. What if everyone refused to re-register their cars and kept driving them. They couldn't put us all in Jail, there's not enough room. The State Governments would then put some real pressure on the Feds cos lots of folk like the RTA, VICROADS, etc and all the garages that do the checks would start kicking up because of loss of revenue and earnings. Wouldn't that be a hoot. We could also boycott the largest of the petrol retailers like Coles, Woolworths etc and only buy from the independants. The pressure from the big boys would be, fix it or you're out next election. Thats true anyhow. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by lennie on Apr 20, 2006 20:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by willy on Apr 21, 2006 0:42:57 GMT -5
not re registering vehicles is a better plan than the tax thing, good thinking.
I saw the feral treasurer saying businesses should not pass on the cost of higher fuel to customers.
words almost fail me at the arrogance, stupidity and ignorance of the alleged man, what is it about treasurers, do they have a lobotomy before taking the job??
why shouldnt a business owner pass on the cost???
why doesnt the bastard treasurer lower the fuel exise. they get gst on it as it is. and their "rebate" on business use fuel goes on the claimers taxable income.
Im buggered if I know why we let them get away with this kind of thing, we just keep voting for the filth.
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Post by lennie on Apr 21, 2006 7:14:24 GMT -5
not re registering vehicles is a better plan than the tax thing, good thinking. I saw the feral treasurer saying businesses should not pass on the cost of higher fuel to customers. words almost fail me at the arrogance, stupidity and ignorance of the alleged man, what is it about treasurers, do they have a lobotomy before taking the job?? why shouldnt a business owner pass on the cost??? why doesnt the bastard treasurer lower the fuel exise. they get gst on it as it is. and their "rebate" on business use fuel goes on the claimers taxable income. Im buggered if I know why we let them get away with this kind of thing, we just keep voting for the filth. I think there days are numbered Willy ;D ;D |
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Post by scoop222 on Apr 21, 2006 14:09:37 GMT -5
:'(I see MOTORING and energy experts are now predicting the price of petrol will rise.
Prices at the pump in NZ are now just under $1.62 per litre for 91 octane, $1.67 for 95 octane and $1.23 for diesel. Wednesday's price of 91 octane includes excise taxes of 42 cents levies of around 6.5 cents and GST of 18 cents - just a month ago GST was 17 cents.
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Post by willy on Apr 21, 2006 17:31:04 GMT -5
our deiso is the same price as 95octane petrol.simply because the tax office can get away with it
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Post by lennie on Apr 22, 2006 3:05:59 GMT -5
In this mornings "Border Mail" John Howard says there is no sense in lowering the excise on petrol plus 1 cent lower in excise would cost them 300 million bucks in revenue. Surely now is the time to look at alternatives, BUT WHAT IS THE BEST OF THEM? Kim Meazley agrees with John Winnie so looks like we're stuck with the facts that they couldn't give a continental.  |
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Post by usenetfeed on Apr 22, 2006 7:59:25 GMT -5
In this mornings "Border Mail" John Howard says there is no sense in lowering the excise on petrol plus 1 cent lower in excise would cost them 300 million bucks in revenue. Surely now is the time to look at alternatives, BUT WHAT IS THE BEST OF THEM? Kim Meazley agrees with John Winnie so looks like we're stuck with the facts that they couldn't give a continental. Sorry to bother you, but General Motors in the late 1980s designed a pure electric vehicle called the Impact which could 0-100 in eight seconds and had a range of over 200 km on conventional batteries. The basic design work was done at GMH Fishermens Bend, but the vehicle was only built in limited numbers for the US market and never released in Australia at all. But the power to run such vehicles has to come from somewhere, and in Australia that generally means coal-fired thermal power stations. So either way, you're out of luck. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Ray |
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Post by usenetfeed on Apr 22, 2006 8:08:34 GMT -5
The is no possibility of an oil based sustainable future.
What will astonish the scattered breeding pairs who may survive
will be how we saw it coming and took no action!?
For instance, they will be dumbfounded that we have not massively
expanded the production of nuclear power, or even threaten to
invade a country for doing so as it tries to eke out its priceless
oil reserves instead of teh CRIMINAL ACT of burning petrochemicals!
They would be equally dumbfounded that in 2006 the Hioward luddites
deliberately smashed the renewabel energy industry, destroying
$14,000,000,000 worth of future hope, all for grubby partisan
political scamming! B^p
In the future people will curse such insanity.
fas
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Post by lennie on Apr 22, 2006 22:03:38 GMT -5
The is no possibility of an oil based sustainable future. What will astonish the scattered breeding pairs who may survive will be how we saw it coming and took no action!? For instance, they will be dumbfounded that we have not massively expanded the production of nuclear power, or even threaten to invade a country for doing so as it tries to eke out its priceless oil reserves instead of teh CRIMINAL ACT of burning petrochemicals! They would be equally dumbfounded that in 2006 the Hioward luddites deliberately smashed the renewabel energy industry, destroying $14,000,000,000 worth of future hope, all for grubby partisan political scamming! B^p In the future people will curse such insanity. fas -- I think they're cursing them now. The only real way to lose favour with the general public is to hit them where it hurts most - fair in the hip pocket nerve - and the Howard Govt's doing quite a good job at that at the moment. The sort of decisions Howard is making at the moment is showing that he is losing leadership skills. I won't say he didn't have any, he did, but I think 10 years sitting in the boss's seat has gone to his head. His policies if anything are becoming slightly dictatorial and in a democracy such as Australia that won't work. Time will tell. |
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Post by usenetfeed on Apr 23, 2006 2:03:00 GMT -5
Indian built, top speed of 60kmh and range of 80km > Although not really suitable for long distance traveling it still goes > a long way to reducing the costs and uses of traditional Petrol. The > car has however spent almost two years in a Melbourne Customs warehouse > awaiting Government clearance. The reason, (so the Government says), > they do not have a classification for the vehicle. > There are also others who have found alternatives. Melbourne Engineer > "Angelo Die Pietro has designed an engine that is fuelled by compressed > air alone, and since air is free, all you have to do is pay for the > power to compress it. That costs around $2.26 for around 100 Km's. The > Engine has been proven that it can operate quite competitively in a > normal family car, however, no one in Australia seems interested Range of 16km. > although interest has been shown from China and Germany. One would > think any concerned Country would be supporting the idea. > There was a New Zealand inventor in the 1970's who also designed a > water powered system of running a conventional petrol driven motor but > his invention never got off the ground. That was Archie Blue, and it failed because it was a scam, not a real engine. There has probably been a > multitude of alternatives and some are operating successfully such as > LPG, Hybrid cars (a combination of unleaded petrol and electricity), > and Bio-Diesel. > The truth is however that the Government, like other Governments have > failed to promote alternatives, the reason, how to tax them. The WA government is running a trial of fuel cell buses. www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.aspBenny |
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Post by usenetfeed on Apr 23, 2006 2:03:54 GMT -5
Sorry to bother you, but General Motors in the late 1980s designed a
pure electric vehicle called the Impact which could 0-100 in eight
seconds and had a range of over 200 km on conventional batteries. The
basic design work was done at GMH Fishermens Bend, but the vehicle was
only built in limited numbers for the US market and never released in
Australia at all.
But the power to run such vehicles has to come from somewhere, and in
Australia that generally means coal-fired thermal power stations. So
either way, you're out of luck. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Ray
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Post by usenetfeed on Apr 23, 2006 2:05:50 GMT -5
Many may say, NOTHING, which is not entirely correct, For starters, an
> electric car has been imported into Australia. Called the 'Reva', and
> priced at around $15,000, it costs around 60 cents per 100 Km's to run.
> Although not really suitable for long distance traveling it still goes
> a long way to reducing the costs and uses of traditional Petrol. The
> car has however spent almost two years in a Melbourne Customs warehouse
> awaiting Government clearance. The reason, (so the Government says),
> they do not have a classification for the vehicle.
Out of interest, I just found and visited revaaustralia.com.au
There are photos and a review, in which it is stated the car left the above
mentioned warehouse 6 months ago. I think the real reasons it will fail
to be competitive against petrol cars is:
- it is TINY and very fragile looking
- it has a top speed of 68km/hr
> There are also others who have found alternatives. Melbourne Engineer
> "Angelo Die Pietro has designed an engine that is fuelled by compressed
> air alone, and since air is free, all you have to do is pay for the
> power to compress it. That costs around $2.26 for around 100 Km's. The
> Engine has been proven that it can operate quite competitively in a
> normal family car, however, no one in Australia seems interested
I've seen Angelo's engine demonstrated on two TV programs in the last year,
and I have to say that I, like most people, would simply not want an
engine that is so BLOODY NOISY!!!! Apparently its the nature of all
air engines to be like this. The sneaky guys on the lifestyle TV show
that I saw it demostrated on were obviously aware of this, because any
time the viewer saw the engine run, they never got to hear it... being
given instead some sweet soft atmospheric background music.
> The truth is however that the Government, like other Governments have
> failed to promote alternatives,
This is also true.
GD
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Post by lennie on Apr 23, 2006 2:36:34 GMT -5
I wonder then, what type of exploration is happening in the Southern Hemisphere to find Oil.
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Post by lennie on Apr 27, 2006 1:24:44 GMT -5
Unleaded petrol in Albury/Wodonga is $144.9c per litre and the Media is loving it. They are broadcasting scare tactics as they like to do.  |
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Post by Flash on Apr 27, 2006 7:23:49 GMT -5
Unleaded petrol in Albury/Wodonga is $144.9c per litre and the Media is loving it. They are broadcasting scare tactics as they like to do. Wait till it reaches $2.00 !!!! |
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Post by lennie on Apr 27, 2006 8:13:17 GMT -5
Unleaded petrol in Albury/Wodonga is $144.9c per litre and the Media is loving it. They are broadcasting scare tactics as they like to do. Wait till it reaches $2.00 !!!! Yea, and I bet John Winnie, Costello and the Oil Companies can hardly wait. |
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Post by apeman on Apr 29, 2006 22:08:17 GMT -5
>where does it stop
It stops at exactly the maximum price that the majority of people wil pay. If that is $2, 3, or 5/litre I cannot say.
The issue is that petrol is a necessity, without it, most (all?) cannot work or purchase other necessary goods. Even a quasi-viable alternative to this problem will generate much interest. People are willing to pay much more for a vehicle that will save them money on petrol, even if the savings are more than offset by the difference in pricing between the aforementioned vehicle and a traditional car. (this is evidenced by hybrid cars, which are sold for thousands more than their traditional counterparts, and offer such a small fuel savings on a per-distance basis as to render their efficiency irrevlavent)
In other words: it doesn't stop any time soon.
Edit: fixed a typo
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Post by lennie on Apr 30, 2006 23:57:20 GMT -5
>where does it stop It stops at exactly the maximum price that the majority of people wil pay. If that is $2, 3, or 5/litre I cannot say. The issue is that petrol is a necessity, without it, most (all?) cannot work or purchase other necessary goods. Even a quasi-viable alternative to this problem will generate much interest. People are willing to pay much more for a vehicle that will save them money on petrol, even if the savings are more than offset by the difference in pricing between the aforementioned vehicle and a traditional car. (this is evidenced by hybrid cars, which are sold for thousands more than their traditional counterparts, and offer such a small fuel savings on a per-distance basis as to render their efficiency irrevlavent) In other words: it doesn't stop any time . Apeman Yes it is a necessity and the Government knows it. It is a milch cow and JWH and his team are laughing all the way to the Bank with it's current increases. Anyone would think they had shares in BHP or the likes. |
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Post by apeman on May 1, 2006 17:18:49 GMT -5
Yes, indeed it seems that way, lennie.
Politics are about greed, and it has always been that way. Don't bet on anything happening until they have to do something to be reelected.
Cheers,
Scott
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Post by lennie on May 1, 2006 18:30:23 GMT -5
Yes, indeed it seems that way, lennie. Politics are about greed, and it has always been that way. Don't bet on anything happening until they have to do something to be reelected. Cheers, Scott You're on to it. You watch, they'll grab what they can this year and then around March-April next year they'll begin to dangle a few carrots. Parliament is like a bunch of Bananas - they all go in green, they all come out yellow, and theirs rarely a straight one amongst the bunch of them. ;D |
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Post by aligator on May 1, 2006 19:01:19 GMT -5
The Local economy is being squeezed to keep the tank filled
From what I can see, people are squeezing money from entertainment, kids activities, clothing/non-essential purchases (to buy petrol), that is to say, squeezing the local economy. This is not a global economic question; this is making sure you buy hamburger on sale and no chips on the side.
The family budget is being destroyed very quickly while Petrol companies record multibillion-dollar profits. The local service station owner is not getting rich, but the multinational corporations are.
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Post by apeman on May 1, 2006 20:03:26 GMT -5
This will quickly turn into a global economic issue. We are a consumer economy, ours cannot sustain that lack of luxury spending for long. When ANY major country's economy falls, it is a global economic issue.
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this is orstaylya mate, if voting did anything consructive it would be banned.I was thinking maybe if the general public refused to complete tax returns and bas statements until the gubmints got off our backs, maybe theyd listen.
