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Post by ppyenews on May 26, 2006 23:01:02 GMT -5
---Give them the Power to Decide.
The malady of the well-being of Australia’s Indigenous Community is in tatters. Prominent South Australian Aboriginal Elder and, former ATSIC leader ‘Lowitja O’Donoghue’ has spoken out for the first time about the violence and abuse in Indigenous Communities and says “the spirit of the Aboriginal people has been broken”. She told ABC News – “Their spirits are broken, they don’t know where to turn, they don’t know who to talk to, they don’t understand the programs, they don’t understand the mainstream, whole of Government approach that is the new way of doing things”- “They understand that it’s all being run by White People” she said.
Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister, ‘Mal Brough’ has invited State and Territory Leaders to a Summit to address the issue but has not invited representatives from Indigenous Communities saying that the Indigenous Community has already said what it needs, and it is up to the Politicians to make it happen. ‘Lowitja O’Donoghue’ claims that the Summit will not work without the involvement of Aboriginal Leaders. She also criticized South Australian Premier ‘Mike Rann’ in saying that he is not up to the job of helping Aboriginal People and was not half the man that Former South Australian Premier ‘Don Dunstan’ was. She said that Premier Mike Rann needed to do more than get himself in front of Camera’s all the time.
Meanwhile ‘Mal Brough’ has rejected a call from the Australian Medical Association (AMA) for an inquiry into the living conditions at remote Aboriginal Communities. The ‘AMA’ say’s an investigation is needed to assess why education and health standards are so low in many remote indigenous communities. ‘AMA’ President ‘Dr Mukesh Haikerwal’ says that an inquiry is needed to find out why Government programs are not working and the question as to whether the money spent has gone in the wrong direction.
Wagga Wagga Indigenous Development Officer ‘Shane Atkinson’ has welcomed the National Spotlight on violence in Aboriginal Communities and say’s that the problem is not unique to the Country’s North. He says that the problem is not new and that Aboriginal Leaders have been attempting to bring it to the Governments attention for a long time.
The kind of stupidity that still arises in mainstream Australia is evident in a new Alcohol Awareness Kit that is being made available to Indigenous Communities across Western Australia. It contains a booklet which aims to help people deal with alcohol related problems. The ‘Right to Object’ package includes advice on how to make formal complaints about liquor licenses and disturbances resulting from licensed venues.
The whole situation has got out of hand and all Governments in Australia must take the blame. For all too long the Indigenous Communities in Australia have been placed in an ‘Out of Sight – Out of Mind’ category with White People in Parliament making decisions for them. Now is the time for the Aboriginal People in Australia to have a much greater voice in Parliament. We need to give them the power to decide.
I’m Phillip Pye
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Post by fusil on May 28, 2006 3:02:32 GMT -5
Didn't the people of Ausralia, in their wisdom, give the Commonwealthh Government the power to legislate specifically for Aboriginal Australians?
Wouldn't it require another referendum to strip away that power?
Fusil.
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Post by lennie on May 28, 2006 7:52:55 GMT -5
The Aboriginal people do not have an effective voice in Parliament. They need a system not unlike the Maori People in New Zealand have. There are Maori Members of Parliament who represent the people in their regions. If we for starters had one Aboriginal MP representing each State of Australia it would be a fairer representation and a more effective voice for the indigenous people. I say give it a go. We expect them to live up to our standards but do not give them equal voice in Parliament.
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Post by buzz on May 28, 2006 23:56:01 GMT -5
Have a read of this Mr Pye LANI Brennan's partner tried to kill her at least four times during their violent three-year relationship. She's just 25-years old but has been hospitalised with a broken jaw, burns, and wounds inflicted when her then-partner tried to cut off one of her legs and hang her. But while many in the La Perouse community knew what was happening, nothing was done to stop it. Sadly, Brennan explains hers is one of hundreds of hidden horror stories within Sydney's indigenous community. She says: "I know a lot of women who are still in the position that I was in. It's not just happening in some Aboriginal community in Western Australia or the Northern Territory - it happens in Sydney. A lot of Aboriginal people are 'hear no evil, see no evil'. "There's lots of alcohol, a lot of sexual assaults within relationships and a lot of really terrible violence. It's a normal thing in an Aboriginal community. Kids see it so they think it's normal - it just keeps going, generation after generation." Brennan says she stayed with her ex-partner because he threatened to kill her family if she left and because she felt at the time she had nowhere to go and had no one to support her. She finally decided to leave him after a particularly violent incident. "I was on my deathbed," she says. "After the last beating, I really thought I was going to die. He tried to hang me, he bashed me with a baseball bat and a golf club. He bashed me with a wooden table leg and sexually assaulted me." It was at this point she went to police and charges were laid against him over their abusive relationship. In March, her partner was found guilty in the District Court of two counts of malicious wounding, common assault, four counts of sexual intercourse without consent, 14 counts of aggravated sexual assault, maliciously inflicting grievous bodily harm, and assault occasioning actual bodily harm. He is scheduled to be sentenced on June 9. The nation was horrified last week to hear of the vicious rapes of children by gangs operating in Aboriginal communities in northern and Western Australia. But those in Sydney's indigenous communities, and those working closely with them, say it's as big a problem here. There are known hot spots for sexual abuse of children in both Woolloomooloo and Redfern. It's a world away down on Botany Bay, but Brennan adds La Perouse to that shocking list. "I didn't see it [sexual assault on children] - but it happens. You hear about it because everyone talks about it. It's not ; it's sort of like, 'what happens indoors stays indoors'. "In the Aboriginal community, if you tell the police, you are known as a dog. And then you and your family are threatened." Pastor Graham Long, of the Wayside Chapel in Kings Cross, says violence is widespread and is often fuelled by alcohol and drugs. He says: "It's an issue that's [nationwide], not just in remote communities. We see the same domestic violence, sexual assault. "The stuff that is happening in the remote communities is happening here ... the same inhumanity that comes as a result of alcohol abuse. There's an issue here that goes very, very deep - in lots of ways. Poverty is one way that it manifests itself, and then everything that goes with poverty." Last week, five women went to the Wayside Chapel seeking help after being raped - four of them were indigenous. But none of them would go to the police to report it. Long says that he has also heard stories of widespread sexual abuse in some inner-city communities. "I hear about sexual assault against young children ... but we don't see them in Kings Cross," Long says. "[But] there's plenty of kids in Woolloomooloo and Redfern who have been assaulted. I know that it's happening in other places. "There's quite a few young people here - there's one young girl in particular who would be just 18. "We're almost relieved when we know that she is sleeping in the park because we know that if she goes home, she will be abused. "We're talking about a girl who has had a lifetime of sexual abuse and we [hear] those stories every minute of every day. They're all part of the forgotten Australians." And the figures, too, are alarming. About 8 per cent of the children placed into long-term foster care through the Wesley Mission are from indigenous families where it is not safe for them to be at home. Wesley's executive manager of youth, child and family services, Sue Sarlos, says the community is also faced with the increasing problem of mental illness. "The bulk of children are coming into care because of mental health issues, drugs and alcohol and domestic violence in the family," she says. Long, meanwhile, says those with mental illness who are returned to the community are often left with no support mechanisms. Many of those with mental illness are self-medicating with alcohol or illegal drugs because they have no access medical help, he says. Stephanie is one of those. The 28-year-old part-Aborigine was just a troubled 12-year-old when she left Armidale for the bright lights of Kings Cross. She says: "I just wanted some excitement." Since then, she has battled an addiction to heroin, which she says she's beaten, thanks to the methadone program. But she still buys drugs on the street to help with her clinical depression. "I use my money to buy pills - Valium - because it helps with my depression. It just makes me feel better, calms me down, takes me away from everything for a while," she says. "I don't use heroin any more. If you gave me a choice between heroin and a handful of Valium I'd take the Valium." Long, meanwhile, is tired of listening to knee-jerk reactions like "we need more police" or "send in the army" to serious problems plaguing the indigenous community. He says: "How long before we wake up and say more police isn't the answer - we haven't been doing so well. There has to be a bigger and better answer. "I'm not saying there's not a role for police, of course there is; but they're not the answer." Victims such as Brennan agree. She says: "Send in the Army? What for? What's that actually going to do? I was lucky: I got up enough courage to leave him. "But what helped me to get through the trial and the intimidation from his family was having an Aboriginal case worker at the courts and an Aboriginal lawyer who knew the system but also knew the reality of where I had come from -- and who could help me. "We don't need the Army. "We need more funding for things like that case workers who can help, more places we can run to -- and better ways to protect us and our families when we do decide to press charges."
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Post by ppyenews on May 29, 2006 1:09:01 GMT -5
Thank you Buzz
Exactly right as sad as it may seem. This problem is not isolated to the Country's North, it is happening all over, If you look at the last 100 years or so, the Aboriginal People have had their tribal lands taken, their identities taken through forced inter-breeding, their families split up and sent to where they will never be able to contact each-other again and the list seems endless of treatment that infringes the United Nations International Laws.
They were herded like animals into an unwanted life. They were also herded in to far-away reserve type atmosphere's and now Peter Costello wants to change that and put them in the Cities where they can find jobs. White people making decisions for a race they do not and often do not want to understand. This country spouts it's attitude to successful multi-culturalism and it cannot even effectively look after it's own indigenous community.
Sorry day is a Political Joke.
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Post by ppyenews on May 29, 2006 18:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by lennie on May 30, 2006 5:39:45 GMT -5
Heard a certain Politician (who shall remain nameless) yesterday talking about this situation on Radio. He said'we've just got to get the white fulla's to understand the black fulla's needs.
He was obviously educated at the College of 'KKK', TURKEY!!!
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Post by usenetfeed on May 30, 2006 7:59:11 GMT -5
Heard a certain Politician (who shall remain nameless) yesterday talking about this situation on Radio. He said'we've just got to get the white fulla's to understand the black fulla's needs. He was obviously educated at the College of 'KKK', TURKEY!!! David Rifty said They have exactly as much voice as I do. Can anything be more equal? One person, one vote. If that isn't level then you've lost me. Of course you need to add the extra benefits that indigenes get to which I, a third generation Australian, am not entitled. Doesn't that mean the field is tilted ... against me? The government claims to be anti-racism yet all Centrelink forms ask if I am Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. Isn't that racist? A voice ? It's not the solution. And don't make the patently false claim that because the law gives equal rights, that automatically makes everyone equal. It doesn't. If it did, then we'd start making progress in race relations in this country You must draw great personal comfort from that particular piece of sophistry. Come back when you understand the meaning of the term 'level playing field.'
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Post by usenetfeed on May 30, 2006 8:00:56 GMT -5
Hunter Said
You could use the same argument and want special representation in parliament for Chinese, Greeks ., short people , etc. Even Gays - though they seem to have that already.
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Post by usenetfeed on May 30, 2006 12:45:19 GMT -5
David Moss to ppyenews
Nice troll. Aborigines do have an equal voice in parliament. I get one vote, an Aborigine gets one vote. Thats about as equal as things should ever get in a democracy Not everyone has a mobile phone, and not everyone lives in a mobile phone service area. We don't have compulsory voting now, we have compulsory attendance. I think we should keep that, educate people about the reality of the situation, and put a "none of the above" box above the line on the ballot paper.
--------------------------------- Hqarbingert to ppyenews
What do you think of Direct Democracy?
Its possible now that everyone has a mobile phone and can sms votes on every Bill. And remove compulsory voting - its useless for everyone but the parties maintaining power/existence in government. ------------------------------------
BernardZ to ppyenews
When would this system end. Would only Catholics, Italians, Irish or Muslims be allowed to vote for MPs to represent them too. -------------------------
cramerj to ppyenews
You sound bitter. Has there not been enough 'rights' for aboriginals. It would be better that Mabo was repealed and aboriginals ran under the same rules as everyone else. As it is there is a de facto apartheid which acheves nothing. ------------------------------------
KANGAROOISTAN to ppyenews
NOT UNTIL THE LAW RESPECTS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND RETURNS THE LAND STOLEN FROM THE LAWFULL OWNERS
AND REST ASSURED THE LAND WILL BE RETURNED TO THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ONE DAY
AS THE DUTCH RETURNED INDONESIA
THE FRENCH RETURNED VIETNAM
THE BRITISH RETURNED INDIA
A CONCEPT LAUGHED AT FOR CENTURIES BUT LAW IS LAW
YOU CAN NOT MURDER PEOPLE AND STEAL THEIR LAND
ONCE YOU COMPREHEND THIS SIMPLE FACT OF LIFE
AUSTRALIA CAN START GROWING STRONG
UNTIL THEN YOU ARE BUILDING ON STOLEN LAND AND WILL NEVER FEEL LIKE YOU OWN IT COS YOU DONT AND CANT , ITS ABORIGINAL LAND AND WILL STAY ABORIGINAL LAND TILL THEY SAY OTHERWISE
YOU SIMPLY WAIT TILL THEY TAKE IT BACK MATE
GO ON PRETENDING YOU OWN IT
AND I GOT A BIT OF PAPER THAT SAYS I OWN SYDNEY HARBOUR BRIDGE
BOTH WORTHLESS MATE
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 2:26:43 GMT -5
David Rifty said They have exactly as much voice as I do. Can anything be more equal?
One person, one vote. If that isn't level then you've lost me. Of course you need to add the extra benefits that indigenes get to which I, a third generation Australian, am not entitled. Doesn't that mean the field is tilted ... against me? The government claims to be anti-racism yet all Centrelink forms ask if I am Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. Isn't that racist?
A voice ? It's not the solution. And don't make the patently false claim that because the law gives equal rights, that automatically makes everyone equal. It doesn't. If it did, then we'd start making progress in race relations in this country
You must draw great personal comfort from that particular piece of sophistry. Come back when you understand the meaning of the term 'level playing field.' ____________________________________________________
Mr Rifty
Level playing field. How long have they had one of those for?
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 2:30:53 GMT -5
Hunter Said
You could use the same argument and want special representation in parliament for Chinese, Greeks ., short people , etc. Even Gays - though they seem to have that already. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hunter
It wasn't their land.
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 2:33:17 GMT -5
David Moss to ppyenews
Nice troll.
Aborigines do have an equal voice in parliament. I get one vote, an Aborigine gets one vote. Thats about as equal as things should ever get in a democracy Not everyone has a mobile phone, and not everyone lives in a mobile phone service area. We don't have compulsory voting now, we have compulsory attendance. I think we should keep that, educate people about the reality of the situation, and put a "none of the above" box above the line on the ballot paper.
____________________________________________________ Mr Moss
They do not have people of their own culture in any Ministerial positions. That is what they should have
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 2:36:43 GMT -5
Hqarbingert to ppyenews
What do you think of Direct Democracy?
Its possible now that everyone has a mobile phone and can sms votes on every Bill. And remove compulsory voting - its useless for everyone but the parties maintaining power/existence in government. ____________________________________________________
Hqarbingert
I wonder who they paid in Govt to come up with that bit of useless form of communication with Govt? That's almost as good as Political Correctness.
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 6:20:40 GMT -5
BernardZ to ppyenews
When would this system end. Would only Catholics, Italians, Irish or Muslims be allowed to vote for MPs to represent them too.
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BernardZ
They are immigrant races that can go back to their country of origin to do that. The Aboriginals cannot, this is their land.
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 6:39:23 GMT -5
cramerj to ppyenews
You sound bitter. Has there not been enough 'rights' for aboriginals. It would be better that Mabo was repealed and aboriginals ran under the same rules as everyone else. As it is there is a de facto apartheid which acheves nothing.
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Cramerj
Bitter?, NO,
I believe that the best way for a minority group that has been marginalised to get ahead is to empower them to make wise decisions. Have a think about this for starters. It was not that long ago that Aboriginal Children Automatically became Wards of the State at Birth. Anglo Saxon Welfare workers walked in to their homes and told them that they were taking their kids to School. They never came home.
Have a think about this also. Many Aboriginal people today are in fear of getting married or having a relationship with another Aboriginal because as children they were separated by the Government and they are not sure whether the partner they desire is their brother, sister, 1st cousin etc. The Government committed Genocide to the Aboriginal Race. They removed children from their cultural surroundings to remove the Aboriginal ways from them. They deliberately tried to breed the Aboriginal blood out of the race. Under the 5th clause of the Genocide Convention the Australian Govt committed Genocide of the Aboriginal race. They have not done that to any other race but it has the gall to throw stones at other countries who have and/or do. I suggest you hunt down an SBS Documentary titled "Bringing Them Home".
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 6:41:51 GMT -5
cramerj to ppyenews
You sound bitter. Has there not been enough 'rights' for aboriginals. It would be better that Mabo was repealed and aboriginals ran under the same rules as everyone else. As it is there is a de facto apartheid which acheves nothing.
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Cramerj
Bitter?, NO,
I believe that the best way for a minority group that has been marginalised to get ahead is to empower them to make wise decisions. Have a think about this for starters. It was not that long ago that Aboriginal Children Automatically became Wards of the State at Birth. Anglo Saxon Welfare workers walked in to their homes and told them that they were taking their kids to School. They never came home.
Have a think about this also. Many Aboriginal people today are in fear of getting married or having a relationship with another Aboriginal because as children they were separated by the Government and they are not sure whether the partner they desire is their brother, sister, 1st cousin etc. The Government committed Genocide to the Aboriginal Race. They removed children from their cultural surroundings to remove the Aboriginal ways from them. They deliberately tried to breed the Aboriginal blood out of the race. Under the 5th clause of the Genocide Convention the Australian Govt committed Genocide of the Aboriginal race. They have not done that to any other race but it has the gall to throw stones at other countries who have and/or do. I suggest you hunt down an SBS Documentary titled "Bringing Them Home".
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Post by ppyenews on May 31, 2006 6:59:24 GMT -5
KANGAROOISTAN to ppyenews
NOT UNTIL THE LAW RESPECTS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND RETURNS THE LAND STOLEN FROM THE LAWFULL OWNERS AND REST ASSURED THE LAND WILL BE RETURNED TO THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ONE DAY
AS THE DUTCH RETURNED INDONESIA
THE FRENCH RETURNED VIETNAM
THE BRITISH RETURNED INDIA
A CONCEPT LAUGHED AT FOR CENTURIES BUT LAW IS LAW YOU CAN NOT MURDER PEOPLE AND STEAL THEIR LAND. ONCE YOU COMPREHEND THIS SIMPLE FACT OF LIFE AUSTRALIA CAN START GROWING STRONG. UNTIL THEN YOU ARE BUILDING ON STOLEN LAND AND WILL NEVER FEEL LIKE YOU OWN IT COS YOU DONT AND CANT , ITS ABORIGINAL LAND AND WILL STAY ABORIGINAL LAND TILL THEY SAY OTHERWISE. YOU SIMPLY WAIT TILL THEY TAKE IT BACK MATE
GO ON PRETENDING YOU OWN IT
AND I GOT A BIT OF PAPER THAT SAYS I OWN SYDNEY HARBOUR BRIDGE, BOTH WORTHLESS MATE ____________________________________________________
Kangarooistan
Your point of view substantiates the feeling of many of the Aboriginal people.
People in this country go all out on ANZAC Day which is a day that validates the pain and suffering of many people. It is a public holiday. What about all the pain and suffering the Aboriginal community have experienced through sheer genocide,. Do we validate that. No, the attitude by most it seems is, oh well, the Govt sort of said sorry and they've left it at that. Some use the excuse that it happened a long time ago, So did WW1.
The Aboriginal People not only had their land stolen from them. There was also their children, their brothers, their sisters, their cousins, their grandchildren, their heritage, their culture, their identity, and the list goes on. They had no say, no choice, they deserve to have that, it is their human right.
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Post by fusil on Jun 1, 2006 3:27:57 GMT -5
RE Aboriginal violence to women.
Read Watkyn Tench on the subject (writing in1788-89 or so),
Fusil.
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Post by ppyenews on Jun 2, 2006 2:26:26 GMT -5
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Post by ppyenews on Jun 2, 2006 18:10:02 GMT -5
The Pope has called on the Australian Government to ask forgiveness from Indigenous Australians.
In welcoming the new Australian Ambassador, Anne Maree Plunkett at the Vatican last week the Pope voiced concern at what he considered as a painful situation for the Aboriginal population of Australia and asked the federal Govt to extend more compassion towards the situation.
For the first time he Pope Benedict raised real concern for black/white relations in Australia.
He said: - "In regard to the Aboriginal people of your land, there is still much to be achieved. Their social situation is cause for much pain. I encourage you and the Government to continue to address with compassion and determination the deep underlying causes of their plight." he also said: -"Commitment to truth opens the way to lasting reconciliation through the healing process of asking for forgiveness and granting forgiveness - two indispensable elements for peace."
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Post by lennie on Jun 3, 2006 22:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by workingman on Jun 4, 2006 1:30:15 GMT -5
For goodness sake, stop apologising for these people! They all need a good swift kick up the backside and told the bloody well wake up to themselves.
This is 2006 AD not 10,000 BC!
A good start would be making the children go to school, and if need be take the children away from the bloody hopeless, abusive and drunken parents. At least then we could stop the next generation of hopeless, drunken parents coming through.
The best thing for Aboriginal children is no different from the best thing for any other child in this country and that is proper nourishment, a loving, supportive, safe and secure home and good literacy and numeroucy skills (which come with education).
Unfortunatley, a very large proportion of Aboriginal children have none of the above and it is the PARENTS who have failed to give any of it to them.
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Post by ppyenews on Jun 4, 2006 3:07:32 GMT -5
For goodness sake, stop apologising for these people! They all need a good swift kick up the backside and told the bloody well wake up to themselves. This is 2006 AD not 10,000 BC! A good start would be making the children go to school, and if need be take the children away from the bloody hopeless, abusive and drunken parents. At least then we could stop the next generation of hopeless, drunken parents coming through. The best thing for Aboriginal children is no different from the best thing for any other child in this country and that is proper nourishment, a loving, supportive, safe and secure home and good literacy and numeroucy skills (which come with education). Unfortunatley, a very large proportion of Aboriginal children have none of the above and it is the PARENTS who have failed to give any of it to them. Workingman If you took the time to read some facts you will find that the Government tried all of that and look at the results.
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Post by workingman on Jun 5, 2006 5:43:26 GMT -5
What 'facts' would you be refering to ppyenews?
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Post by ppyenews on Jun 5, 2006 6:34:35 GMT -5
What 'facts' would you be refering to ppyenews? The facts are - The Australian Govt commited genocide on the Aboriginal people. These people had no rights and were merely treated as second class citizens for not just 100 years, but almost 200 years. They did not have any voting rights in Australia for Aboriginal people until 1967. They had no voice in Govt to protect their rights as human beings. We have scorned other countries for less, South Africa being one. There was a time in this country when you could kill an Aboriginal person and not be trialed or even arrested for murder, and believe me, there was alot of indiscriminate killings of these people and, often in an inhumane manner. They were not only men either. There were cases of women, children and even new-born babies murdered for sheer pleasure. I do not deny that there is an element of Aboriginal people that need a good stiff kick in the pants and I am confident some of the elders would agree. The Aboriginal people are by nature, culture and tradition very family orientated people and by taking their children away completely is often very damaging to that child. The welfare agencies now in fact try diligently to house aboriginal children who are removed from the home, (and there are many), with relatives and/or aboriginal families close to their own family. They find the child adapts much better. A good Documentary to watch in relation to such issues was released by SBS. It is called, 'Bringing Them Home'. If that does not assist you in a greater understanding of the situation, please ask and I shall do my best to provide. Cheers.
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Post by workingman on Jun 6, 2006 5:16:51 GMT -5
You're talking rubbish ppyenews, just stop and think for a minute about your 'facts', use your brains if you have got any. Your 'facts' are nothing but old, incorrect , emotive slogans used by the Aboriginal apologists and Aboriginal gravy train benefactors.
The plight of Aboriginals today is purely of their own making.
No other indigenous race anywhere in the world has been so pampered and showered with government assistance for so long.
To fix the problem you have to start with the children and I am talking starting with them no later than five years old, any later and you have already lost them to the ignorant, harmful, gutter life style of the stupid parents.
I have had the benefit of living and working in a small town in western NSW that has a population that is over 75% aboriginal. I just wish I could drag all you ignorant, bleeding heart apologists out of your big city ivory towers, take you out there and show you some real 'facts'!
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Post by ppyenews on Jun 6, 2006 6:13:21 GMT -5
You're talking rubbish ppyenews, just stop and think for a minute about your 'facts', use your brains if you have got any. Your 'facts' are nothing but old, incorrect , emotive slogans used by the Aboriginal apologists and Aboriginal gravy train benefactors. The plight of Aboriginals today is purely of their own making. No other indigenous race anywhere in the world has been so pampered and showered with government assistance for so long. To fix the problem you have to start with the children and I am talking starting with them no later than five years old, any later and you have already lost them to the ignorant, harmful, gutter life style of the stupid parents. I have had the benefit of living and working in a small town in western NSW that has a population that is over 75% aboriginal. I just wish I could drag all you ignorant, bleeding heart apologists out of your big city ivory towers, take you out there and show you some real 'facts'! Sounds a bit like you don't like Aboriginal people much Workingman. Oh well. By the way, I live in the Riverina area of NSW, on the 'Murray' actually and have got to know many of them. You say: - The plight of Aboriginals today is purely of their own making. Thats 'Keep Australia White' crap and you know it. Who put them where they are in the first place?. Thats right workingman, put them down, steal their land, kill their kids, rape their wives and do all of the atrocities for a couple of hundred years and then expect them to live as we do. Who the hell are we to place such demands on a race/culture?. Did we do that to the Italians, the Greeks, the Chinese. NO. To the Aborigines, YES. We then expect them in a 35-40 year period of allowing them to have citizenship rights of them all living like we do. Go and have a look at South Africa, then maybe you will see some facts. Anyhow, looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree.
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Post by workingman on Jun 7, 2006 5:42:31 GMT -5
One thing is certain ppyenews, the Aboriginals in Australia will never get anywhere while fools like you keep apologising for them and finding excuses for their appalling behaviour. And no doubt you are another fool who thinks encouraging aboriginals to cling to their stone age culture is somehow helping them.
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Post by ppyenews on Jun 7, 2006 6:29:13 GMT -5
One thing is certain ppyenews, the Aboriginals in Australia will never get anywhere while fools like you keep apologising for them and finding excuses for their appalling behaviour. And no doubt you are another fool who thinks encouraging aboriginals to cling to their stone age culture is somehow helping them. Correction Workingman, They never got anywhere by being marginalised by insultive and racist attitudes like yours.
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